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| Posted Sun, Jun 08 2025 11:16 AM CST | ||
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RONALD STALLBAUMER STALLBAUMER LIVESTOCK TRANSPORT INC SENECA, KS 970-396-9685 Posts: 1 |
Livestock cargo insurance is going up. Liability insurance is going up. Trucks, Trailers are going up. The overall cost of business is just out of line. Need to stop hauling cheap loads. Where did this idea of raising the prorate to 53,000 come from? | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Mon, Jun 09 2025 09:32 PM CST | ||
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KENT FLOYD FLOYD TRUCK LINE, INC. BEATTIE, KS 785-353-2390 Posts: 6 |
That is very well said. Sure glad I'm about to hang it up after 50÷ years. Sad to say but things have really gone to the dogs in this business! Dog eat Dog. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Tue, Jun 10 2025 07:04 AM CST | ||
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KENT FLOYD FLOYD TRUCK LINE, INC. BEATTIE, KS 785-353-2390 Posts: 6 |
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| Posted Tue, Jun 10 2025 05:51 PM CST | ||
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DAVID DAHLEY DAHLEY TRUCKING GREELEY, CO 970-590-7227 Posts: 1 |
I agree with the cost getting out of line!! I have never heard using 53,000 pounds pro-rate. I’ve always used 48,000 pounds and 50,000 pounds prorated |
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| Posted Thu, Jun 12 2025 05:32 PM CST | ||
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JIM KIRK STAMPEDE TRUCKING LLC PALISADE, NE 308-340-0516 Posts: 5 |
Been thinking the same myself. I felt pretty cheap for some loads we had going to WY for $5 prorated on 50k.I personally don't think a guy could break even with rates so cheap. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Tue, Jun 17 2025 07:43 PM CST | ||
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NICK CLARK NE EXPRESS LLC MORRIS, IL 331-998-0014 Posts: 4 |
We can’t do anything about it unless everyone comes together but the way things are people have to keep moving so they’ll keep running it. Definitely sucks | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Wed, Jun 18 2025 09:35 AM CST | ||
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DENNIS MITCHELL MITCHELL CATTLE CO. COMANCHE , TX 575-607-7657 Posts: 4 |
Its not rocket scence,you cant haul for 4.50 when fuel is 3.50 plus. I bought my first trk in 1a5 rr5 rr5 980 was getting 1.80 a mile.making more than now because the northern trks are coming to tx, going back fo 4.00.we still get 5.25 and thats ruff with everything going up to bad we cant all get on the same page. You dont have to haul that cheap.in trying to figure out how you can pay a driver and everything else and stay in business. If ya dont want to be forced to sell out just raise your rates. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Wed, Jun 18 2025 11:14 PM CST | ||
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KENNETH JEDLICKI JEDLICKI TRUCKING, INC. FOLEY, MN 320-355-2231 Posts: 2 |
its the next generation thats wrecking the rates manly the younger guys its realy bad central mn but its getting bad with hoppers reffers dry vans the worst rag heads get grants for a new truck never have to pay it back no taxes we haul everthing by the hundred wt with a min or we dont roll | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Thu, Jun 19 2025 12:54 PM CST | ||
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JIM EATON JIM EATON TRUCKING LLC CLAY SPRINGS, AZ 620-629-1634 Posts: 1 |
nortnen trucks | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Jun 20 2025 09:08 AM CST | ||
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QUENTON BROWN RANCH HAND TRUCKING TEXAS LLC ODESSA , TX 432-212-4011 Posts: 77 |
All I'm asking what northern trucks yall talking bout the Yankees or the mid westerns | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Sat, Jun 21 2025 10:16 AM CST | ||
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CRAIG HAM HAM TRUCKING OGALLALA, NE 308-284-3038 Posts: 11 |
It's not just northern trucks it is all trucks they come up from south and haul cheap to get back south. It takes all to quit the cheap loads to get anywhere. |
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| Posted Mon, Jun 23 2025 09:00 AM CST | ||
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QUENTON BROWN RANCH HAND TRUCKING TEXAS LLC ODESSA , TX 432-212-4011 Posts: 77 |
I agree with you the only way to clean it up is to stop everybody from pulling someone else's trailer and then the freight haulers figured out how to get in it and 3 dollars a mile is great to them they don't want the people out there knowing what time it is they want fresh meat pay less |
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| Posted Mon, Jun 30 2025 01:29 PM CST | ||
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JOHN LESLY L AND J TRUCKING NATCHITOCHES, LA 318-423-5875 Posts: 11 |
I’m 66 been doing this a really long time what a lot of you aren’t recognizing is this is not normal times You are not taking into account this is the lowest Cattle heard on record since 1951 that means less cattle to move Also more trucks on the road than ever before Holland cattle because everybody got SBA money and Covid money and bought trucks while economy was booming Oil has been really slow. A lot of guys would be in oilfield or hauling cattle or grain right now all these pressure The rate It’s simple supply and demand Northern trucks coming down here have nothing to do with it Hog haulers have been hauling hogs to Houston and used to haul them to Los Angeles for 40 years and when I get there and unload, they look for anything that takes them back close to where they came from What you should be doing is looking for loads where you unload that you can backhaul and I don’t mean backhaul for cut rate kill cows for 220 mile going back to Georgia or Florida might work for some guys if they have the time and want to do it because they have to go back anyway so if you have to drive home 1500 miles are you gonna tell me you wouldn’t put $3000 in your pocket instead of spending 1250 on fuel they cut right is gonna keep on until they weed a bunch of extra trucks out of the market. The best thing for us will be. It’ll take the pressure off the cattle trucks. A lot of guys will go get rich. Haul field, mud sand, Frack water, drilling equipment rigs all of them require a lot of trucks and they’re not all Company trucks. The second thing is we’re about to have the largest corn crop on record. That’s gonna take a crap load of hoppers y’all need to get over this Super truck or I’ll hauler image You have from the 1970s and 80s I lived it wouldn’t all that great those guys at Haul for three dollars I know several of them that do it. They have a little triangle hall set up. They make three dollars Holland and three directions and they don’t have deadhead miles. You should look for something that you can do unless you’re too fucking lazy load your truck with Hay and somebody even though it takes a lot of labor just do it put some bags of feed on the tail of your home an extra 500 but if you have to sweat, you probably won’t do it. Have a good day. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Jul 04 2025 06:35 PM CST | ||
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GARRETT KRUEGER KRUEGER FARMS TRUCKING WASHINGTON, KS Posts: 2 |
To many trucks and a low heard count. The national herd count is the lows since I wanna say the 1960s and alot of guys got into the livestock side of things during covid. Let them run cheap and weed them selves out. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Sat, Jul 12 2025 12:56 AM CST | ||
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BRUCE WRIGHT M LAZY J LIVESTOCK VIGO PARK, TX 406-390-2061 Posts: 37 |
I don't know what northern trucks anyone is talking about, coming from Montana to Texas I about crapped myself how cheap the rates were and how much freight gets hauled for free, nobody knew how to prorate. I agree this prorate over 52,000 is complete B.S.,we got hit with it from a plant down here in Texas. Like has been mentioned, there are way to many trucks in the game for the head count. With the price of cattle the buyers and the plant are going to play whatever game they can, cut rates, or play with the prorate. The way things are going insurance is going to put alot of guys out of business. We just got called by a company in West Texas that is hanging it up, after 40 some years in the business. Until the government gets a grip on these insurance companies and taxes there is going to be alot of trucks and trailers come up for sale in the next year. This cow market isn't going to cycle like it normally does, so there is going to be a big correction in the trucking side. My best advice is diversify. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Sat, Jul 19 2025 04:27 PM CST | ||
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CHRIS BOYKIN H4 BRAND INC SAN ACACIA, NM Posts: 12 |
If cut .50 off of the rate and got a guy pulling a lease trailer, well 15% of .50 isn’t much money to the guy who owns the trailer, the load is covered and another driver getting rapped, being an O/O is more than loading and driving, at 15% your an employee that’s it, go hustle your own loads, pay your own fuel,insurance , collect money etc., taking deductions out of settlement isn’t how to pay for things,that’s what the problem is today, I hate to say it but being lazy out of convenience isn’t going to cut it, make these buyers get loyal again by being reputable |
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| Posted Wed, Jul 30 2025 09:41 AM CST | ||
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ALFRED SIMMONS I & DS TRANSIT LLC TALLADEGA , AL Posts: 1 |
I agree the reward isn't worth the risk | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Tue, Sep 23 2025 04:40 PM CST | ||
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DOOGIE HIESER JH LIVESTOCK BIGFORK, MT Posts: 9 |
Let's QUIT using the word BACKHAUL,whoever started using that word needs taken out back to Party Row and that word beat beat outta his vocabulary. One guys "backhaul" is another guys get outta town load, they should pay the same no matter the direction. |
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| Posted Tue, Sep 23 2025 04:42 PM CST | ||
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DOOGIE HIESER JH LIVESTOCK BIGFORK, MT Posts: 9 |
Quenton, buddy ol pal you got them 110% WEST TEXAS HOOKERS whooped yet?? |
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| Posted Thu, Sep 25 2025 02:09 PM CST | ||
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QUENTON BROWN RANCH HAND TRUCKING TEXAS LLC ODESSA , TX 432-212-4011 Posts: 77 |
O yeah they been whooped come on back | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Thu, Oct 09 2025 02:31 AM CST | ||
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DEVON ANDERSON TRIPLE D CLARION, IA 1515-851-8342 Posts: 2 |
And if a trucking company is paying drivers mileage instead of percentage(as they should be getting), if the rates to the truck have gone up a dollar a mile, rate to the driver goes up a quarter a mile. 5-6 years ago 3.85-4.00 was consistent. 4.50-5.00 holding steady now. If owner operators get weekly settlement sheets, drivers should as well. |
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| Posted Thu, Oct 09 2025 08:35 AM CST | ||
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QUENTON BROWN RANCH HAND TRUCKING TEXAS LLC ODESSA , TX 432-212-4011 Posts: 77 |
Cattle hauling aint never paid good if you want a real job go drive for a corporation where you get 401k benefits and so on when I started hauling we where getting 1:15 on in house cattle and 2:30 on outside people see the lights on the trailer and assume there making money but its nothing but a struggle you'll drive your self crazy thers no loyalty thell eat you up and spit you out and act like they dont no ya no for the real Men | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Mon, Dec 01 2025 02:15 PM CST | ||
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KENNY KAY CUSTOM CATTLE COMPANY KARNACK, TX 903-720-2324 Posts: 1 |
Just to add to your thought. I too have been doing this a very long time. I started @ 17 and now, I'm 65. Started hauling out of sale barns and now buy, sell and transport my own livestock. When I buy them Livestock of all kinds, another words I don't limit it to Cattle only, I'm out a head of the load that's going to be sold. I look at all Agriculture commodities in a 100-mile radius that can be bought on the return load back to my ranch. Sometimes you have to deadhead further than that, but my point is, always be out a head of what you are currently doing. I know just about every Livestock producer for 1000 miles to help me be more efficient I'm staying loaded. As you have stated I'll buy a truck load of Alfalfa or load square bail of costal Bermuda to transport and sell out. I've loaded out bags of feed, onions, watermelons, etc. You would be surprised what you can load on the right specked out trailer. Surrounding yourself with the right people to help you be successful is liquid gold in owning a business! Best of luck to you all! One day I'll drop in and meet you since I see you're from Natchitoches. I grew up in Robeline and went to school @ NSU. Small world! | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Dec 05 2025 01:59 PM CST | ||
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BO CARPENTER BO-TOM ENTERPRISES UNIONVILLE, MO 641-510-6600 Posts: 8 |
When people stop talking about these rates and truly doing something about it, it'll never change. So when the truly brave, honorable, men of integrity start to refuse cheap loads and actually proving you actually believe in what you're complaining about, you can make change happen. Until then, your wasting my breathing air bitching about it. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Dec 05 2025 02:18 PM CST | ||
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BO CARPENTER BO-TOM ENTERPRISES UNIONVILLE, MO 641-510-6600 Posts: 8 |
Should've started with..."Until. My apologies for the grammatical error. Lol I'm gettin old. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Dec 05 2025 02:22 PM CST | ||
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BO CARPENTER BO-TOM ENTERPRISES UNIONVILLE, MO 641-510-6600 Posts: 8 |
I apologize for my grammatical error. My previous post should have began with, "Until ", not "When". I'm gettin old. Lol | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Dec 05 2025 02:39 PM CST | ||
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BO CARPENTER BO-TOM ENTERPRISES UNIONVILLE, MO 641-510-6600 Posts: 8 |
One more food for thought, for the right people with the right know how and resources. Maybe it's time to form a livestock haulers cooperative and get all livestock hauling owner operators to join this cooperative for truck placement via the cooperative. Kind of like a central hub of owner operators that shippers,brokers,etc, have to mediate with before trucks get dispatched for loads. In other words a central mediator to negotiate for us or the loads don't get hauled. I personally don't have the knowledge for putting such things together but there are coops all over for everything nowadays. Why not for livestock haulers. Not quite a "Union", but similar. Look how OOIDA operates and works for people through memberships. Or your local farmers coop members come together to buy in bulk at bulk rates for it's members. Etc. It can't really be that hard to form a livestock haulers cooperative. Also such a cooperative could "cull the herd" so to speak, through experience, truck/trailer quality, reference verification, etc, to sustain quality members, thus adding to the power of the rate negotiation process for the cooperative. I'm really just throwing a thought against the wall. But maybe someone more intellectual than I am, can take that ball and run with it. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
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BO CARPENTER BO-TOM ENTERPRISES UNIONVILLE, MO 641-510-6600 Posts: 8 |
Maybe we could find my last idea to be a PowerPoint that we could all come together on and circle around. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Sun, Dec 07 2025 11:27 AM CST | ||
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QUENTON BROWN RANCH HAND TRUCKING TEXAS LLC ODESSA , TX 432-212-4011 Posts: 77 |
Its all I gotta say Outlaw life till a die Bullhauling Diesel Driving Daddy Independent and I never understood why there people in this industry that have the upper hand come out the city's and push the country folks to the side why everybody sits back and watches thats crazy | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |