IS ANYONE ELSE TIRED OF SITTING IN LINE FOR HOURS AND BEING PORTABLE PENS FOR THE PACKING HOUSES THAT THAT TELL US WHAT WE CHARGE? THEN WATCH ALL THEIR COMPANY TRUCKS GO AROUND YOU IN LINE BECAUSE APPARANTLY THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE.

are you taking about greenbay?  lol

you must be pretty desperate to haul stuff to a packing house and haul for those cheap rates.

If your too good to haul to a packing house. (which actualy  pays pretty  well if your needing a back haul) Why  are you in this forum in the first place? Smart ass.

I agree the sitting in line because all the pens are full is bs.  If a packing house wants to slaughter that many head a day they should have the facility to hold them, after all these people at these places preach humane animal treatment and proper handling procedures,  where the hell are they when a truck has to sit for hours at a plant when its 90 plus degrees and no wind after the critters have already been on a truck for hours.  Just trying to say in my opinion if the packers want the numbers, they should have the room to hold them and the chutes to move trucks thru efficiently. 

Exactly. They should also  have to let us weigh before sending us to sit that long. If they want to kill that many cattle in a day let them eat the shrink!

the fact is you should get paid on loaded wieght in first place not on unloaded wieght!!!!!!!!!

there is no such thing as a back haul and when people realize this maybe there will be some conformity

100% agree with paying on the loaded weight because everytime I have loaded fats going to slaughter they are as full as they can possibly be and the truck gets stuck hauling the shrink around for nothing.  I also agree with no such thing as a backhaul.  It costs just as much to run a loaded truck north as it does south and east as it does west and vice versa.  Many people blame the packers for having cheap rates but I blame the cut rate trucks that loaded that chep stuff in the first place and the guys that keep doing it.  If nobody loaded for that poor rate the packers would be forced to change.  Conformity is just the right word, well said. 

I pay for the website service because when its busy during the fall and winter there are some decent paying loads on here.  As far as talking trash goes you are full of it because this is a dicussion forum, a place to give and recieve opinions, possibly get a different outlook on things.  I just dont agree with backhauling because in my eyes expenses dont change no matter which way you are driving.  Not the fuel usage, tire wear, wear on every other part of the rig, shit in the trailer, loading and unloading, nothing.  If you can get a load going part way back the way you came or something great but it should be the same rate.  Just my opinion.

Like I said I agree with you on the back haul subject. You dont have to explain it to me again.There shouldnt be such a thing. I just havent seen a load on here yet that wasnt a backhaul. Guess I'll wait till this fall and see.

You guys cant tell me that if you were to unload somewhere and got offered a load of fats going back for a cheaper rate you would turn it down and bounce home empty. Yea its a backhaul. Yea things will never change if we keep doing what the packing houses and brokers want but we are all human and each and every one of us are guilty of being greedy sometimes. There will always be someone hauling for a cheaper rate. Fly by night trucks that are here for a while and go broke hauling the cheap loads only to have another move in right behind them, packing houses buying their own trucks, ect. I think all the rest of us can do is make the best of it.

I can only speak for myself but I have turned down many backhauls.  I just dont agree with loading that cheap shit and on top of it sitting at a packing house for hours waiting to unload when you get there.  Of course the backhauls I have been offered have never been 100% on my way so they shouldnt have been considered that but the rate was.  I always get a chuckle out of it when somebody calls with this "great backhaul" and they tell me what the rate is, I just tell them Im not that desperate to work for peanuts, go buy a truck and do it yourself, end of conversation.  Bottum line is that I dont backhaul.  I guess if it works for you have at it.  Keep shortchanging yourself and the other guys you are screwing it up for.

greenbay cant do that! the trucks are privately owned

It is a shame it don't show the name of the people posting these quotes(or if it does I guess I am just to dumb to find it) because if it did I wouldn' t  give any of you a load. You all complain about the rates we pay to haul to the packers why don't you try wearing our shoes for a while.  If it wasn't for us most of you wouldn't  even be in business. You always want to blame the buyers or packers. Well lets talk about you feeder cattle  haulers, what about the rate some of you charge from the west coast back to Texas, Colorado,etc. or from the east back to the west at 2.00 to  2.40 per mile now come on you talk about hauling chiep!!! You guys failed to mention this so I thought I would. Our rate(s) we pay to haul to the plants is more then that! And I guess you guys never wait in line for hours to get loaded do you? So when you really get down to it which one is the backhaul rate???

You guys that talk trash about back haulin make me laugh. Dont get me wrong I also think that your right about how we shouldnt haul for the packing houses and force them to change their rates, or not haul for back haul rates. I understand how that would make things better and totaly agree! BUT at the same time  you guys are paying for a load board that has nothing but back hauls. Not one load Ive seen on here was worth doin.

You may pay more than 2-2.40 but not all do when they start talking backhaul.  In fact just lately there have been fat cattle loads for 2.40-2.60 on the board.  Yes for your info hauling feeders you have to sit in line if you are loading out of a sale barn on sale day depending on the time of year.  How bout when your told to load at 8am and by the time the calves are sorted and the brand inspector gets done by 2pm you are finally on the road.  Nobody wants to wait, but thats part of it, its wasting time when your not making what a guy should be making.  Time is money.  Right now I wouldnt load for less than 3.10/mi plus prorate and we are getting a little better than that in this area, but that would be the cheapest I would go.  If thats not what you pay, your right you wouldnt be able to give me a load.  Shippers around here are all paying the going rate and its working for them and they keep coming back.  The truckers dont have to stand in your shoes, if you cant pay the truck what it needs to make it work then dont.  I cant speak for you or the coast to coast haulers because the majority of loads I haul are between 300 and 600 miles one way and maybe in your area expenses are different. 

Thats exactly right and everyone has their own idea of what they need to make.

I agree that no one wants to sit in a line waiting to unload cattle. Some plants have lines some don"t. Get use to it they all will have a line sometime! Everthing on here goes back to rates.A load is a load what it pays it pays. If you think it is not enough don"t take it. It would be nice if they all paid the same but it don"t work out that way.

i agree, but you should own and raise your own cattle. it cost me approx. $3 per mile whether it is going  to the packers or to a sale or another pasture. EXPLAINE THAT!!!!!

I agree thay should be paying extra for storage. National Beef is the worst about it there company trucks go around you even when they load at the same place. Jason Greer is responsible for that as well as their dispatchers. When is someone going to do something about this.

 I wonder how many of you even know how much it cost to run your truck in the first place

secondly if you give the cream to a broker and pay trailer rent all that left is wages if your lucky

the guys that haul freight most of the time and then come and haul cows for the season come because it pays better than freight anyway

Maybe that's what it's coming to. But I feel sorry for the producer that relies on brokers that load trucks they don't even know some of them don't know anything about loading or handling livestock and the ones that do don't haul loads that don't pay

The puc was a good thing because at least then you would know that it should pay and go from there.

if you know your cost per mile its not rocket sience to tell if a load is worth hauling or not

the problem is most owneroperators dont no there cost and to top that of they pay someone trailer rent & broker fees thats about 25% off the top if there lucky they might make wages

the problem is theres more to trucking than driving