It will all be team work, lots of cattle rest stops and/or relaying. Life as we know it will be gone. No more decent paychecks. The think we could all do is just park our trucks Dec 9th 2017 and not fire them up again unless they over turn the elog decision. I will be putting mine up for sale and getting out of trucking. The hell with the government.

Before we get too carried away with all of the negatives, we should be aware that OOIDA is currently fighting this in Federal Court. If you're not currently a member of OOIDA I strongly encourage you to join. The membership dues are $45/year, but there is a discount if you use a current member's name as a referral. This is the ONLY organization I know of out there that is lifting a finger to fight for the rights of Owner/operators, drivers, and small fleets. Feel free to use my name if you're thinking about signing up. It could save you a few bucks.

Any way this might not be as bad as we think? For instance before IRP and IFTA for stops and ports went through your paperwork with a fine tooth comb, now they punch in your numbers into the computer and hardly look at any paperwork. I'm wondering if this becomes the same and they quit asking to see your hours thinking these save all eld devices are making sure we are "following the rules" and they don't need to check up on us, I haven't seen anywhere that going over or incorrect logging is going to "tattletale" or red flag the truck somehow? If so it is after all a computer and computers can be messed with... If not there are loopholes.... Find a 99- truck in a salvage auction same make as you have and hello parts truck and new title that says your a 99 and predate the mandated law... Re title or rebuilt/salvage titles don't seem to hurt truck values as much as autos for some reason... We still have at least 2 years and probably more seeing how this kinda thing always manages to have issues that push the dates back.. It would be nice to have a livestock exempt rule but that's wishful thinking.

I've been doing this for 28 years and to listen to someone say it's OK to run e logs hauling livestock tells me how long you been doing this and you're nothing but a freight hauler you want to do something about it shut your truck off for four days all cattle haulers when all the plants are shut down and no one's moving cattle Than things might change but like I said there's no real guys that'll stand up to anything anymore everyone be like that one guy I will just run them be like a stuiped freight hauler

As I stated in my original post, contacting your state's Cattleman's Association, American Pork Producers, and the top guns in Feedlots/Farms/Ranches can do a lot to aid in stopping this mandate. Furthermore, if you are to read my original post, you can take note that I never stated that I was for or against the E-Log mandate OR a freight or livestock hauler. This extends beyond what you transport and is a way of life for many. Livestock producers wouldn't want to see this pass. NOT only do I haul livestock, raising and growing cattle/hogs is a family business. I'm on both sides. Just trying to throw some more ideas out there in getting this stopped.

Not be as bad as we think??? If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. This will be their foot in the door. Once they are in, it's game over. People not in the industry should NOT be making the rules and laws regarding it. Never trust some idiot with a college degree and a tie. They are just the 'better's' trying to tell us 'bumpkins' what they think we need. Belieing, or even thinking, that this can be of ANY good, is going to be what allows it to happen.

HMMMM. Good Thought.

Here are just a few of the larger cattle owners just in Nebraska start by contacing them

Jerry and William Adams, Gottsch Cattle Co, Tim Waller, Jim Mamot, Don Oppliger, Gerald Timmerman, and that's just a few. But these people have millions and millions of dollars tied up into cattle. You better believe they can get people's attention on a national level. Then if guys like Warren Weibert from Kansas and the Drummond's in Texas and all these big time cattle owners started lobbying against this mandate it would stop dead in its tracks. The westward expansion of this country was built by rich cattle owners, railroad tycoons and oil. These three industries have major ties in Washington I am sure. I know when I was loading at one of the many Timmerman Ranch's a month or so ago. There was a US Senator there with Gerald Timmerman sorting calves!!! We can get this crap stopped for us I am sure.

With over 76% of trucking companies already running e logs It will be virtually imposiible to stop. Not in favor of them at all but since the mandate was offically published in Dec the train has left the station and is not coming back. At a recent meeting on this issue the question was brought up to a DOT officer about the special circustances livestock haulers have. His response was that that was our problem and the law would be the law no matter what type trailer or freight was in it.

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If we are going to have to run by the clock then we need to paid by the clock. Example: A load of fat cattle from Rock Valley IA to Dakota City NE can use 5 plus hours of my availiabe time for the day. If the rate was paid per the hour like shop time, hay ginders,accountants. $150/HR minimum or $1650/day.

Pre 2000 trucks are exempt from the E-log mandate.

Really interesting forum, one of the better topics ,,

im looking at buying 2 more trucks,, they will be hauling live stock,, reading your posts, it seems to make more sence to buy older trucks as you stated,,keep out of California for 1,, stay out of the diesel shops more, and avoid E logs,, thanks for good advice,, just hope who i lease on with is cool with older trucks,,,