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| Posted Mon, Mar 04 2013 08:29 PM CST | ||
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MARVIN BARKER BARKER TRKING NEVADA, MO 620-704-3409 Posts: 2 |
just think about this 95percent of the trks moving are cutting the rates thanks alot | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Tue, Mar 05 2013 08:30 AM CST | ||
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MIKE JULIANO M.A.J.EXPRESS THORNTON, CO 720-724-1665 Posts: 7 |
what do you expect most people to stuiped to realize their screwing themselves. like them 2 loads out CA to nebraska for $3400.00 for 1534 miles only fool would haul them | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Tue, Mar 05 2013 09:03 AM CST | ||
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WARREN SMITH WARREN G. SMITH GATESVILLE, TX Posts: 5 |
just think about this about 100 percent of the buyers and brokers are setting and cutting the rates. |
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| Posted Tue, Mar 05 2013 11:45 AM CST | ||
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JARED CARUSO CARUSO TRUCKING RICHFIELD, UT 435-201-0046 Posts: 9 |
Hmmm, to all the whiny babies out there. Fortunately it is a supply and demand economy. You know the rates will be changing soon. If you can't put stuff together to be profitable, I suggest you change only the things you have control over, and make it work. I guess if you are not willing to do that though, I am sure no one will stop you from standing in line for some sort of handout from our ever so gracious government. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Tue, Mar 05 2013 01:27 PM CST | ||
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JOHN TELLES CENTRAL COAST PROVISIONS YERINGTON, NV 775-463-4112 Posts: 31 |
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| Posted Tue, Mar 05 2013 09:37 PM CST | ||
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JAKE MCCALL -JK BAR JK TRANSPORT CAMERON, TX Posts: 28 |
First of all , you need to learn how to conduct business and respect people. We live in America, and we can still voice our opinions. So I believe you owe everyone an apology, for callin them whiny butts. I dont know you and already can tell you are one of the cheap haulin steerin wheel holders. So keep your uncalled for qoutes to yourself. If you can't say anything nice than don't say anything at all. GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS JOHN WAYNE HAPPY TRAILS |
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| Posted Wed, Mar 06 2013 11:14 AM CST | ||
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JARED CARUSO CARUSO TRUCKING RICHFIELD, UT 435-201-0046 Posts: 9 |
Let me clarify that this is not Jared Caruso nor was the first post. My name I Casey Jones. Who owes who an apology? Obviously you failed to read the first post that originally called 95 percent of cow haulers low life's. This is why I don't ever read the forum. I don't like it when someone offers a low rate, and if I can't make my avg. work, I won't haul it. But that is the great thing about free markets. If you are in the market for tires, do you price shop or buy them at the first place you come to? I would hope you shop around. Now if you blow a tire, and need one no matter what, then it changes everything, and you pay whatever the guy wants, only out of necessity. It is the same right now, more trucks than loads. Don't forget it will change shortly, and there more loads than trucks. Remember no one is holding a gun to your head to haul cattle right now. If you are not making any money, do something different. Quit complaining on the forum. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Wed, Mar 06 2013 08:15 PM CST | ||
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JAKE MCCALL -JK BAR JK TRANSPORT CAMERON, TX Posts: 28 |
Well everytime you post something it shows up as the Jared guy, don't know why . Maybe your mis-leading people. You do what you gotta do, but the comment I was referrin to talked about whiny people, I jus wanted you to know that freedom of speech, is that what you call whiny. You do what you gotta do and I do what I gotta do, and you don't pay me so I don't have to do as you say. Jus read the post That i was referring to, thank you GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS JOHN WAYNE HAPPY T-RAILS |
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| Posted Thu, Mar 07 2013 05:54 AM CST | ||
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DONALD WALKER DONALD WALKER BOONES MILL, VA 540-493-1560 Posts: 17 |
Well said! seems like alot of these guys seem to put out lot of blame. I'm having it hard right now too and if all you other guys would just quit and go away i could get good money both ways. I'm glad i live in a country that has freedom to try to do what i want. Unfortunatly thats not always in my favor. It will come back around soon and we can stick it right back to them boys |
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| Posted Thu, Mar 07 2013 07:00 PM CST | ||
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JOHN TELLES CENTRAL COAST PROVISIONS YERINGTON, NV 775-463-4112 Posts: 31 |
Hopefully the smart ones won't haul for these cheap rates and wear their trucks out before things turn around. Just remember, the names of these cheap outfits offering these loads, and when things turn around, add 20% to any rates they are willing to pay when things are good. In other words, take a few washers off and put it in a little deeper. And remember, when these other fools that run their trucks for cost are all gone, then they are gonna have to deal with the real businessmen of this business.Just my opinion and I have been truckin for 45 years and have seen alot of them go down in that time. So to those of you that are holding out for the higher rates I commend you, and to those of you who are hauling for backhaul rates, I can't wait to see you go broke. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Thu, Mar 07 2013 07:35 PM CST | ||
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JARED CARUSO CARUSO TRUCKING RICHFIELD, UT 435-201-0046 Posts: 9 |
So John, what is the actual cost per mile to run your truck? | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Mar 08 2013 11:46 AM CST | ||
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JOHN TELLES CENTRAL COAST PROVISIONS YERINGTON, NV 775-463-4112 Posts: 31 |
Mr. Caruso, My cost per mile varies from one haul to the other. But as of right now I will tell you I figure to cover my cost per mile on the truck it is about $2.15. If I am going to make money, with todays cost of fuel, I have to make $4.30 per mile. And also, my unit is paid for truck and trailer. So if I thought, like alot of these fools, I could run real cheap now couldn't I? After 45 years in this business, I figure if you're not getting the cost for fuel per gallon per mile, you are running to cheap. And that also varies. I will haul for the price of fuel, on road, but add another 20% for off road miles. As I said in the beginning there are alot of variables, each load has a different cost. You won't wash out after every load, sometimes you might get two or three before you have to wash out. Sometimes you do have to wash out after every load and that eats into your profit as well. Stop and think, have you ever rode in a taxi cab? If so, have you ever gotten into the cab and told the driver how much you were willing to pay him? It's time the truckers, start telling the brokers, what they will charge to haul his goods! In other words, turn the table around. Alot of people in this trucking industry, have the idea that if their wheels are turning, they are making money. That's not always the case. If you want to truck, for these $3.00 or $3.25 per mile loads, seems to me the only one making any money are the oil companies. And there is no such thing as a "back haul". DON'T HAUL CHEAP!!! God bless you and be safe. |
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| Posted Fri, Mar 08 2013 04:57 PM CST | ||
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C > R RANCH BAY CITY, TX 409-222-2222 Posts: 22 |
So if you have a load 50 miles from point A "home" going 1000 miles to point B, @ $3 /mile, then a 100 mile bounce to reload @ point C for $3 /mile going 1050 miles to point D, which is 125 miles from point A "home", are you saying you wouldn't take it? Because in my book that comes out to $2.65 /running mile, which is quite a bit better than $2.15 /running mile. As a matter of fact it's over $1150 better! Yes, in the perfect world it would be great to get $4.30 out and $4.30 back, but unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world! Today we live in a world where it's more efficient to keep your deadhead miles down, and that my friend probably won't be changing anytime soon! The days of 50-60% loaded miles are long gone, you need to be pushing 75-80% at least, unless of course you're doing short haul pasture/feedlot stuff....which you better be getting more than $4.30 for anyway. Best of luck to ya! |
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| Posted Fri, Mar 08 2013 09:29 PM CST | ||
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JARED CARUSO CARUSO TRUCKING RICHFIELD, UT 435-201-0046 Posts: 9 |
Amen!!!! My point exactly. But we might just need to keep our mouths shut, because we don't get it! It really will make it easier for those that can figure out a little more complex story problems if the one way haulers continue to haul one way when it is busy. :) just sayin. Good luck to all! |
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| Posted Sat, Mar 09 2013 11:30 AM CST | ||
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JAKE MCCALL -JK BAR JK TRANSPORT CAMERON, TX Posts: 28 |
Yes that would be awesome if things worked that way, but how many times do you fall into a bucket of b/s and come out smellin like roses. Not to many times, JUS SAYIN, I reckon that mus be the new slang,Jus Sayin. If it always worked as good as you figure then we all would be sittin on a gold mine. So lets wake up and get a reality check! Loads coming out of Calif. goin to Texas, Neb, Kan payin 3400,00 for a 1100-1200 mile trip, to me is jus not worth the time of day, it's been about a lil over a year since U been to Calif. and fuel was up 4.30- 4.40 range if I can recall. The orginal point was, one guy callin the other guys "whiny babies". Yes you can haul for what you want to, but if someone xoices their opinon, then they are entirled to that. And if you or whoever can find them perfect loads(liked you described) more hauling to you. JUS SAYIN GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS JOHN WAYNE HAPPY TRAILS |
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| Posted Sat, Mar 09 2013 12:44 PM CST | ||
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TY RICHMOND RICHMOND TRANSPORT MARICOPA, AZ 480-205-6923 Posts: 4 |
There right casey. Rates should be 4.50. |
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| Posted Sat, Mar 09 2013 01:48 PM CST | ||
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PETE PEETERS DUTCH WAY TRANSPORT LIMON, CO 719-775-2377 Posts: 14 |
getting two drivers or smal companies/owner operators to agree is like teaching an elephant to use the typewriter......... Seems to me that if remarks are made that one hopes the other goes broke, it'll just be like an ice hockey game with the brokers laughing and watching in the bleachers. My cow trailer is parked and stays parked. I haul cows for a few steady customers. Why is it that guys will talk to me when i'm pulling my cow wagon and won't when i'm pulling a stepdeck? If we all keep feeling superior to one another we will never be able toband together to make real changes.... How? I'd be the first one to admit that I'm not a leader, but I'm open to join anything that is/are willing to make improvements in the fight against poor rates... Fmcsa= Enemy number one, ATA= your enemy number two, along with most democrats and unions ooida= kinda spineless........ people that infiltrate our bussiness with total disregard for american culture and language= certainly enemy number three.... |
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| Posted Sat, Mar 09 2013 03:56 PM CST | ||
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JOHN TELLES CENTRAL COAST PROVISIONS YERINGTON, NV 775-463-4112 Posts: 31 |
To the gentleman from Bay City Texas, you need to re-read my post, if you're gonna quote me. Because I am saying I won't run my truck for $2.15 a mile, it costs me that much to operate it. From my observation over the years, hookers have a better sense of business than most of the truckers. They don't give it away for free! As far as getting owner operators to stick together, it will never happen because there is always somebody that thinks they can do it cheaper. And that is the reason why there are so many used trucks and trailers on the market today. They thought wrong. Have a good day and a prosperous one. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Sat, Mar 09 2013 04:23 PM CST | ||
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TODD SCHROEDER SCHROEDER TRANSPORT LLC CASHTON, WI 608-797-3359 Posts: 4 |
why to tell them casey |
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JOHN TELLES CENTRAL COAST PROVISIONS YERINGTON, NV 775-463-4112 Posts: 31 |
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JOHN TELLES CENTRAL COAST PROVISIONS YERINGTON, NV 775-463-4112 Posts: 31 |
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| Posted Tue, Mar 12 2013 03:58 AM CST | ||
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MAT MORALES K - M COMPANY LLC TRENTON, UT 435-994-2106 Posts: 30 |
Can I point something out and pose a question without being called names or accused of being a freight hauler? It's just food for thought. I wanted to point out that in most if not all large areas with taxis the fare is regulated by a local government agency. Also certain taxis can only work certain parts of the city. None of us want to be told by the government what our rates should be. Secondly if there is no such thing as a back haul and the rate should always be $4.00 plus bucks a mile does that mean that all the freight trucks on the road should be getting $4.00 plus every mile also? That would make for some expensive goods. Now before you start calling me a rate cutter, and a swift driver just remember its only something to think about. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Tue, Mar 12 2013 04:11 PM CST | ||
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JEREMY POLLITT WILDCAT TRUCKING & EXCAVATING, INC WELLINGTON, CO 970-215-3361 Posts: 2 |
Very well put Matt. The problem with this world nowadays is that everyone thinks that their way of thinking is the only way to operate and everyone else is just a moronic idiot. I have many times tried to express my views of free commerce to no avail and have finally come to the realization that not everyone is going to get it. People want to complain and point fingers and accuse other's of being rate cutter's and blame the load board and blame the buyers and blame the shippers and blame the brokers when in all reality it all boils down to free commerce and being competitive. The business we are in is a seasonal trade and is based on supply and demand. If everything was hauled at full rate all of the time, then I could pretty much gaurantee that you could not afford to live in this country and be able to compete on a global market. And whether you like it or not.....,it is all about a global market anymore. While in essence it would be nice to have everything pay "full rate". Our economy and infra-structure as a nation would never tolerate nor sustain it! This is just my view and like Matt, I am just expressing it and do not wish to be villainized over it. Signed, Brian with Wildcat |
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C > R RANCH BAY CITY, TX 409-222-2222 Posts: 22 |
 Very, very well said!! The statement of "keepin it loaded" has never carried as much weight as it does today! Keep your deadhead miles down and survive! 
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| Posted Wed, Mar 13 2013 12:05 PM CST | ||
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BILL HENNING WHISPER WIND FARM WAYLAND, NY 585-728-5783 Posts: 9 |
It's readily apparent from following these posts that different folks operate at different efficiency levels. The posts tend to distinguish between those more interested in driving a truck and those more intrested in operating a business. Some factors affecting efficiency include: HOMEBASE LOCATION - Your not likely to get rich operating out of Maine TYPE OF EQUIPMENT EG0 - How much are you paying to be "cool" DRIVING MANNER FUEL COST - Some folks buy it cheaper PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE COST TRIP PLANNING BUSINESS PLANNING INSURANCE COST WISE USE OF DEPRECIATION PRETAX PLANNING MARKETING SALESMANSHIP - not the same as marketing FINDING WAYS TO COPE WITH SEASONALITY - Capitalize on the opportunities at hand, like pulling a stepdeck for a change THE LIST GOES ON AND ON A housewife once complained that her husband was just a truck driver until someone reminded her that her husband owned a trucking company. THE TRUCK DRIVERS WILL PROBABLY KEEP RIGHT ON COMPLAINING WHILE THE BUSINESSMEN WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK. Thanks for all the back and forth though - I learn a lot from your input |
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| Posted Wed, Mar 13 2013 07:36 PM CST | ||
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JOSH POLLITT STOCKYARDS GREELEY, CO 970-818-1570 Posts: 1 |
Well said as usual Brian! It is hard to voice an opinion on here at times due to the "Entitlement" attitude of many people in our business. The bad spelling and grammar alone usualy keep me from commenting on a post simply to avoid a conversation or debate with a person that is clearly one sided. I have personally been in and around this business for 15 years now. I can honestly say my trucks make more money today than they did 15 years ago. When I see another company hauling a load cheaper than me I always ask myself "how can they do that?" Maybe the answer is they really can't and will be broke in 6 months, but maybe they have something put together that works better than what I can do at the time. Good for them!! I then have the CHOICE to figure out how to make that rate work for me or not? Pretty simple really! I will give you an example. My company is finacially tied directly to 3 feedyards in Northern Colorado, we feed cattle for a customer in California, 2 loads a week year round and 25-40 loads during the spring. I haul 0 loads for the customer!!! I cannot compete with the rates he is able to get his cattle hauled for. Does it bother me? No it does not. I make more money doing what I do with my trucks than I could hauling to California and hauling his cattle back. If he had to pay more to get them here, he would not bring them here. How about an example of one person making it work while another struggles. A friend of mine owns 130 trucks in the Dry bulk industry. If he makes $100.00 per day profit per truck he makes approx. $3,250,000 per year profit. Another friend of mine owns 1 truck in the dry bulk industry. If he makes $100.00 per day profit he makes approx. $25,000.00 per year profit. No one is going to change those figures, that is just how it works. Both of my friends started out with 1 truck approx. 15 years ago, 1 of them made it work and the other complained about how hard it was (and still does) They're both in business as all of us are. Run your truck or trucks like a business as you should. Just because we haul livestock does not "entitle" us to guarenteed fame and fortune. The buyers, shippers, and brokers, are in business as well, if they didn't try to ship they're loads as efficiently as possible and maximize they're profits they would not be doing themselves justice. Regards, Josh |
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| Posted Thu, Mar 14 2013 01:42 AM CST | ||
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CASEY JONES BROKEN DOLLAR CENTRAL VALLEY, UT Posts: 1 |
Wish there was a like button, this deserves it! JUST SAYING GOD BLESS CAPITALISM GOD BLESS PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY |
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| Posted Fri, Mar 15 2013 08:08 AM CST | ||
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TY RICHMOND RICHMOND TRANSPORT MARICOPA, AZ 480-205-6923 Posts: 4 |
If you meen a button that someone has there finger on. This could be pushed everytime someone hauls cheep load i agree! | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Mon, Mar 18 2013 06:57 PM CST | ||
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SHAWN SEXSON SEXSON TRUCKING, INC GIBBON, NE 308-650-1436 Posts: 24 |
You finally got logged is as Casey Jones :) |
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| Posted Mon, Mar 18 2013 08:44 PM CST | ||
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JARED CARUSO CARUSO TRUCKING RICHFIELD, UT 435-201-0046 Posts: 9 |
Yeah Shawn but you know that I had some input in what Casey posted and agree 100%:) signed Jared Caruso |
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| Posted Mon, Mar 18 2013 09:04 PM CST | ||
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AUSTIN HIMES HIMES TRUCKING PIERCE CITY, MO 417-669-8911 Posts: 11 |
Hell ya! |
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SHAWN SEXSON SEXSON TRUCKING, INC GIBBON, NE 308-650-1436 Posts: 24 |
Yeah I know but it made me chuckle, I stayed out of the discussion seemed safer that way. |
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| Posted Mon, Apr 01 2013 11:04 PM CST | ||
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LEROY MENDOZA DOUBLE M TRANSPORT RUPERT, ID 208-260-1069 Posts: 1 |
Well thank you boys! That was a nice late night read. Now I'm going to bed. Keep up the good work. LeRoy | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Apr 12 2013 05:22 PM CST | ||
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BEAU CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM TRANSPORT BEARDSLEY, MN Posts: 1 |
What is cutting rate? if you haul one way and 50% of your miles are empty more then likely you are cutting rate. If you consider paying a driver wheather it is you or someone else, the driver still has to be paid. Consider a truck payment which most have. You drivers who own your truck and live in it, may be able to make money but for those who have a family and a truck payment, this is for you. Now consider ALL the cost per day or per load and the wear and tear on a truck (and replacement truck or engine in given miles) then you will find you need about $5.00 to $5.25 a mile when driving 50% empty. Like all of the trucking buisness if you can be loaded a majority of the time then you can haul for less. Flatbed, Dryvan ect are in the vicinity of $1.50-$2.50 a mile. When I run step deck i'm between $2.30 and $2.70. Thats far better money then $4.00 cattle. Most of the time I haul cows. If I find loads going both directions I will haul for "back haul rate" as you call it. In construction, trucking and fabrication ect. people bid on jobs, some can do it for less. That may piss you off, get over it and line you shit up better. But I'll tell you that if you wanted some work done on your house and several contractors were bidding to take your job, you would look to save money and take the cheaper rate if they could do just as good of a job. Why? because your greedy and if you could find the loads going both directions, you would take then for less. Why? because your greedy. So why are you here crying? Because I'm hauling your load. Thanks | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
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ANN LOVE DLTI LIBERAL , MO 417-843-6513 Posts: 6 |
I got the answer to it all just totaly remove the word BACKHAUL it is all just a haul so charge the same someone wants to know where your from say noneya | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
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COLLEEN GOODRICH JUST TRUCKIN' JEWELL, IA 515-827-9015 Posts: 6 |
The price of feeding livestock is Up... the Price of Fuel is up... The price to buy livestock is up... Insurance is up.. All areas of daily operation for the entire Livestock industry is up.... so to try and off set the higher costs the people that pay for all of the things that goes along with livestock and try to make it so the avaerage consumer can afford to buy the steak in the grocery store unfortunatly EVERYONE is trying to cut corners and everyone is not happy the economy sux we know it eventually it will change until then take the good with the bad or give up the game. |
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STEVE SITES SITES TRUCKING BLACKWATER, MO 660-886-0600 Posts: 9 |
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FRANK POER TEXAS ROSE CATTLE LLC SEYMOUR, TX 817-821-0931 Posts: 43 |
Well I have ta say Bill is right location location location I live in Texas and I haul cattle out and I haul hogs back and before yall start in on me cause im a pig hauler just listen for a minute.I have only bout 25 to 30% unpaid miles when I run.So you can say its just business I drive an old 2003 freightliner classic xl old werner retire but I dont have all the over head yall BIG fancy petes do and I hardly ever get a second look from DOT when im running down the highway.Flashy trucks are just that attiontion getters and I have a faded blue truck that I keep up very well and its alot cheaper to do this parts cost less then any pete kenworth or international .Its not the queen of the road but the most thing is its mine.I can run down the road at 3 bucks a mile.Thats with hogs cattle wont get on my trailer for less then 3.75 a mile thats my bottom line on those.but im in a great area.lots of cattle to haul less sclaes and DOT then alot of yall but i spoke my truth so on with the name calling.YES IM A PIG HAULER AND NO I AINT LIKE TALLEY AND ALL THOSE PIG HAULERS FROM IOWA WHO CUT RATES ALL THE TIME TO FILL TRUCKS HAVE SEEN THIS WITH MY OWN EYES OVER IN KENTUCKY |
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