HAULING RATES!SOME OF THESE PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE EMBARASED OFFERING THESE TYPE OF MONEY ON THEIR LOADS!!!
Posted Tue, Jan 17 2012 08:48 AM CST
ROBERT LONG
GOIN OSAGE
CHAPARRAL, NM
915-276-1584

Posts: 22
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Posted Thu, Jan 19 2012 07:00 AM CST
BLAIN PARRISH
-P
FARWELL, TX
254-679-9427

Posts: 5

You aint just kidding i think i know who you are talkin about its rediculous ..................everybody wants a back haul but just cuz its a back haul dont mean we can loose money or break even,....our payments and fuel dont give us a cheaper rate ...................

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Posted Thu, Jan 19 2012 06:01 PM CST
PAUL VAN KEKERIX
VAN KEKERIX TRUCKING INC.
ROCK VALLEY, IA
712-541-7583

Posts: 12

It is hard to understand why there is over 700 times this has been viewed and no response.
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Posted Fri, Jan 20 2012 08:06 AM CST
KENNY KAY
CUSTOM CATTLE COMPANY, INC.
HALLSVILLE, TX
903-720-2324

Posts: 55
I agree!!!!! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Fri, Jan 20 2012 11:18 AM CST
JOHN TELLES
CENTRAL COAST PROVISIONS
YERINGTON, NV
775-463-4112

Posts: 31
Originally Posted by: KENNY KAY
Quote: "I agree!!!!!"

Its been this way since the day,s of waggon trains and cattle drives,all you have to do is say NO,and beleave me rates will come up,but as long as we have that mentallity that it will get me back to the house,nothing will change. ( a backhaul is somebody elses head haul ) if your just looking to get back to the house,STAY HOME.
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Posted Fri, Jan 20 2012 01:44 PM CST
CHRIS BOWERS
C BAR T TRUCKING
PRINEVILLE, OR

Posts: 2
I agree most of these rates are cheap! And also agree there is no such thing as a back haul It cost the same to run down the road both directions. But until we stand together and hold the rates up ,(which probably wont happen cause there will always be some joker who will do it cheap just to get the load to get somewhere!) and for everyone of them thats goes broke hauling cheap there are two or three more who think they can make it doing the same. we just have to run smart ! and make sure the people you haul for money s good! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Jan 23 2012 08:39 AM CST
BEN BROWNLOW
TEXAS CATTLE TRANSPORT LLC
LARUE, TX
903-391-0124

Posts: 6
Two weeks ago there was a load was taken for .75 cents/mile cheaper for no reason. Trucking company had a truck in San Angelo, Tx. and the load was in Del Rio, Tx. going back to the Texas panhandle. The cattle buyer got off the phone with the owner of the trucking company and said to me "I just got that load for $3.00/mile." The cattle buyer never mentioned a rate to the trucking company, they just openly offered their services for a cheaper rate. I asked the buyer "Why would he do that?"...a rhetorical question obviously! Then I asked "And how much would you have paid?" Buyers response "3.70-3.75!" The trucking company just cut their own throat for no reason! Its poor business decisions like that that make this industry struggle to make a profit. I realize that not every load is going to pay what I would like it too, but I will never just up and offer my services for a cheaper rate. I have taken loads from this board and actually negotiated a better rate just because I said "No" to what they were offering. And I have said "No" period and looked else where. Hauling livestock is like any other business in that it is competitive, but it can do better by helping one another too. Last time I looked we are still a specialized carrier, yet it is becoming more like general freight! If these buyers and brokers want to offer low rates let the cattle stand in the pens. Just because your wheels are rolling doesnt mean you are making money! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Jan 24 2012 10:42 AM CST
TOM FREEMAN
B C FREEMAN TRUCKING LLC
SPRING CREEK, NV
775-934-1488

Posts: 16
Recently, I was called and asked to haul a load. I asked for the rate and they asked me what I would have to have. I told them it would cost them 4.25 per mile. They told me they would have to call me back. They called back in a few minutes and asked, "what is your bottom price"? I told them 4.25. They called me back and I got the load. To me there is no such thing as a back haul. I drive, that means I have the same expenses. In my mind the rate needs to be the same. I am in business to make a living not to go broke.

I have been in ranching all my life. We are recieving more them we ever have for our calves and yearlings. We can afford to pay those who haul. Maybe, I see things different being on both sides.
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Posted Thu, Jan 26 2012 08:27 AM CST
KENNY KAY
CUSTOM CATTLE COMPANY, INC.
HALLSVILLE, TX
903-720-2324

Posts: 55
Originally Posted by: TOM FREEMAN
Quote: "Recently, I was called and asked to haul a load. I asked for the rate and they asked me what I would have to have. I told them it would cost them 4.25 per mile. They told me they would have to call me back. They called back in a few minutes and asked, what is your bottom price? I told them 4.25. They called me back and I got the load. To me there is no such thing as a back haul. I drive, that means I have the same expenses. In my mind the rate needs to be the same. I am in business to make a living not to go broke. I have been in ranching all my life. We are recieving more them we ever have for our calves and yearlings. We can afford to pay those who haul. Maybe, I see things different being on both sides."

Thanks Tom for your ensights! Back hauls were designed for freight companies (general freight) that run certain freight lanes through out the U.S. and such..... Since we have no freight lanes in the livestock business and we are "exempt carriers" the word back haul should never apply to this industry! If you can afford to haul a load cheaper than me, well that's the American way of free interprize. I have no problem with people stream lining their businesses and knowing what it takes to run their business, but why on earth would you accept a load that's less than your fuel cost? Secondly why would you want to run for fuel cost away? Heck you can load hay, alfapha, etc. With a little hard work that will make you a good return profit. Just saying, happy trails anyway.

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Posted Mon, Jan 30 2012 08:55 AM CST
STEVE HILKER
STEVE HILKER TRUCKING, INC.
CIMARRON, KS
620-855-2378

Posts: 14
I suspect it will get worse before it gets better. Look no farther than the load and truck boards on here. 30 trucks available, one load posted. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Fri, Feb 03 2012 12:00 PM CST
JOSH MAUPIN
MAUPIN TRUCKING L.L.C.
FRANKLIN, MO
660-537-3050

Posts: 16
I agree with all of you! These trucks cost the same to run any direction.....towards the house or away from it. Until everyone holds to their guns, and refuses the cheap rates, nothing will change. However, no matter how hard we try that, there will ALWAYS be cut throats out there. For years, there have been those "companies" that have a BIG overhead, and have to make anything they can just to pay for their equipment. Don't get me wrong, I love the looks of a nicely chromed out truck as much as the next guy, but I try to do mine a piece at a time. That way I don't have to take just any load I can get my hands on. If I can't make a profit, then the truck can set. I have turned down many loads, simply because they were too cheap. As far as the "prorates" go.....if you figure the difference in the price, it will not even pay your court cost let alone the fine, if you happen to get caught!!! That is another thing that needs to be pounded into these shippers heads! If our government would pull their heads out of their asses, and see that if they would pass a law where the fines must be paid by the shippers, on overloads, etc...., it would put a stop to it. They don't want to do that though, because those fines are revenue!!! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Fri, Feb 03 2012 10:29 PM CST
JOHN UPSHAW
JOHN UPSHAW
WILLISTON, ND

Posts: 4
i know this is going to start a war, but I have some questions for some of you that are complaining about the cheap rates. Back in the summer when everybody was hauling the cattle out of the south or south for 3.80 to 4.00 nobody was crying . Not everybody was loaded both ways for that I know I was down there alot. Now it seem I could offer 2.75 each way and I'm a cut rate shipper. I understand all the crying I own one, but the dollar per mile is what matters. It has been said on here before 4.00 divided by 2 is 2. 2.75 each way is a better deal. I figure my break even at a 1.70 to a 1.80 right now depending on nature's factors of fuel mileage. How many people are sitting at home right now doing nothing but racking up bills. I assume everybody that is doing the crying is a owner operator. What would 10 or 15 cent per mile less for a month or two hurt now. Most owner operators don't put on enough miles right now that it would matter. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Sat, Feb 04 2012 02:47 PM CST
JOSH MAUPIN
MAUPIN TRUCKING L.L.C.
FRANKLIN, MO
660-537-3050

Posts: 16
I think I can speak for just about everyone that has owned a truck in this industry, when I say that we have all had those "promises" from shippers, to get reloaded! Even if there were a reload, it is never from the same chute that you unload at......so, there are deadhead miles!! Deadhead miles pay 0!! There are deadhead miles between each load, which cuts down on the profit to the truck. It's not rocket science! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Sun, Feb 05 2012 01:00 PM CST
GARY BORZEKOFSKI
BIG G
KEARNEY, NE

Posts: 1
Originally Posted by: PAUL VAN KEKERIX
Quote: " It is hard to understand why there is over 700 times this has been viewed and no response."

Starts with IOWA pig haulers. Back haul for 2,75 stupid.
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Posted Tue, Feb 07 2012 11:06 AM CST
BLAIN PARRISH
-P
FARWELL, TX
254-679-9427

Posts: 5

Times are hard right now no doubt but think long term here if we cling together and nobody haul for less than what they payed for diesel the day they bump the chute ... or a back haul rate at .75 centsto a dollar less ... everything would even out wen u got cattle costs the way they are i mean a 5 weight hiefer bringing 1.70 a pound cows bringin 1500 bucks come on now .... not just anybody can haul cows and most cow buyers havnt done it so they dont know how hard we work stayin up days at a time , just throwin my opinon out there no harm intended just sayin those guys are right if we stuck to our guns we wouldnt b in this situation.....thanks c yall

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Posted Thu, Feb 09 2012 01:09 PM CST
ALLEN WEYANT
KPW LIVESTOCK INC.
CLAYSBURG, AL
814-239-2107

Posts: 2
went to Harrisonburg Va. this past summer. the load was going to Iowa for $3.50 a mile when we got there and loaded the feeders the shipper said we could haul this load for a thousand dollars cheaper. And that was all he is going to pay. i told him we cannt do that there is no way his reply was we broke you truckers before and we can do it again! these are the kind of people we need too stay away from! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Thu, Feb 09 2012 04:08 PM CST
RUSSELL PEYTON
PEYTON GRAIN AND LIVESTOCK COMPANY
, KS
316-321-1077

Posts: 7
Originally Posted by: ALLEN WEYANT
Quote: "went to Harrisonburg Va. this past summer. the load was going to Iowa for $3.50 a mile when we got there and loaded the feeders the shipper said we could haul this load for a thousand dollars cheaper. And that was all he is going to pay. i told him we cannt do that there is no way his reply was we broke you truckers before and we can do it again! these are the kind of people we need too stay away from!"

Heres the dumb question did you haul the load i would guess you prob did and if so why you on here bitching about it
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Posted Fri, Feb 10 2012 06:31 AM CST
ALLEN WEYANT
KPW LIVESTOCK INC.
CLAYSBURG, AL
814-239-2107

Posts: 2
sorry my friend. you are wrong. i made him unload my trailer and was so pissed i deadheaded home to Pa. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Fri, Feb 10 2012 01:35 PM CST
KENNY KAY
CUSTOM CATTLE COMPANY, INC.
HALLSVILLE, TX
903-720-2324

Posts: 55
Originally Posted by: ALLEN WEYANT
Quote: "sorry my friend. you are wrong. i made him unload my trailer and was so pissed i deadheaded home to Pa."

Allen,

One question I have for is, did you have a signed FRA with the shipper? If not, then I would incorporate one in my business! If your not sure what I'm talking about, then send me an email. I'll explain what it is, how to get one and send you a sample of one.

Kenny
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Posted Sat, Feb 11 2012 04:07 PM CST
JOSH MAUPIN
MAUPIN TRUCKING L.L.C.
FRANKLIN, MO
660-537-3050

Posts: 16
Originally Posted by: KENNY KAY
Quote: "Allen, One question I have for is, did you have a signed FRA with the shipper? If not, then I would incorporate one in my business! If your not sure what I'm talking about, then send me an email. I'll explain what it is, how to get one and send you a sample of one. Kenny"

Ok...now I have a dumb question. What are you referring to, on the "FRA"?
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Posted Sun, Feb 12 2012 11:28 AM CST
KENNY KAY
CUSTOM CATTLE COMPANY, INC.
HALLSVILLE, TX
903-720-2324

Posts: 55
Originally Posted by: JOSH MAUPIN
Quote: "Ok...now I have a dumb question. What are you referring to, on the FRA?"

The document itself! Send me an email and I'll forward you a copy of an FRA. Sorry, so many people have ask for a copy of one I just thought I sent you one.
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Posted Thu, Feb 16 2012 03:26 PM CST
JED GOAD
JLE TRUCKING INC.
RED BOILING SPRINGS, TN
615-699-4575

Posts: 2
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Posted Sun, Feb 19 2012 06:55 PM CST
FRANK POER
NOT WORKING
DECATUR, TX
817-821-0931

Posts: 43
well if you haul a load with out a signed freight agreement on a set price then why are you bitchin bout it?
if i agree to haul a load i always get a faxed agreed price before i bump a chute thats just common sence if you ask me.
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Posted Sat, Mar 03 2012 04:14 PM CST
PAUL VAN KEKERIX
VAN KEKERIX TRUCKING INC.
ROCK VALLEY, IA
712-541-7583

Posts: 12
The first question we should ask is are you going to reload my truck when the rate is 3.50/mile or less.
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Posted Tue, Mar 06 2012 11:08 AM CST
PETE PEETERS
DUTCH WAY TRANSPORT
LIMON, CO
719-775-2377

Posts: 12

"Back Haul" should not apply to any freight ! We haul cattle and anything that will go on a step deck. Every broker you talk to has an excuse up front as to why the rate is so cheap - 'well it is Colorado ' - " well - it'll get you out of North Dakota". It doesn't cost any less for general freight to run back as anything else. yes, I know - the cow trailer drags more... but even the specialty oversize loads are not paying even 66% of the average fuel price. ! We figure in order to pay the expences on the truck & trailer and have the driver end up with a pay check at all - and us -.... we have to 'average' that.

It used to be 2-3 years ago, that freight into crappy areas (like Denver) paid better +$3.00 / mile & that was when fuel was $2.70 ( I just looked it up on some of my old bills) - Now fuel's pushing $4 or over in most places and if we're lucky -.... we can talk 'em into $3.

And yes - the only way it will come around is if people quit cutting each others throats.
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Posted Sat, Mar 10 2012 07:29 AM CST
BOBBY WEST
WEST CATTLE CO.
LOWELL, OH
740-517-3423

Posts: 37
Fuel and Rates... Not pointing any fingers but SEVERAL Iowa outfits are now hauling out of Va. for $2.50-$3/mile, I'd be embarrassed to even call myself a cattle hauler if I didnt value my services any more than that. You know who you are...nuff said. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Sun, Apr 01 2012 11:41 AM CST
TOM FREEMAN
B C FREEMAN TRUCKING LLC
SPRING CREEK, NV
775-934-1488

Posts: 16
I also brand inspect out here and recently there was a company that would over load and then run all the scales. I talked to one of the owner operators that was pulling for him last year. He told me the company went from 11 trailers to one. They will be weaded out. I do agree with a law to penalize the shippers and the traders.

It might take a while, but if we stick together, things will right itself. We have seen this before in the industry. Stay strong.
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Posted Sun, Apr 01 2012 06:32 PM CST
UTICA LIVESTOCK CARRIERS
PORT PERRY, ON
877-985-0511

Posts: 8
the thing i was told years ago its not so much how much a mile it how many miles you get nothing REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Apr 02 2012 11:40 AM CST
JAKE MCCALL
-JK BAR JK TRANSPORT
CAMERON, TX

Posts: 28
Originally Posted by: UTICA LIVESTOCK CARRIERS
Quote: "the thing i was told years ago its not so much how much a mile it how many miles you get nothing"

Yes ,saw a load posted on 4/1/12 goin from emory- new summerfield, tx
to augusta , ga that paid 1520.00 to the trk i thought it wuz an
April Fools. I reckon it wuzn't, heck i dont know how a man/woman can haul for
that cheap. I wuz always pretty sharp in math , but guess i wuz wrong.
Appx 940 miles for lil over 1500.00. That' jus amazin.
GOD BLESS AMERICA and GOD BLESS JOHN WAYNE
HAPPY. TRAILS TO. YA'll
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