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Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 04:55 AM CST
TYLER DICKINSON
Posts: 6
I think this is a great idea. But... you will have people that won't want to do it. Then they will be the ones that are going to undercut cost on loads. I think it would be something that would work for awhile but then there will be people that will look away from it to get loads. I see a lot or bullhaulers that must like hauling for NASA(empty trailers). I can understand the short hauls doing it. I just think people should start standing up to the brokers and having them get higher cost miles and back hauls. We need brokers to start working together to find loads. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 07:16 AM CST
MIKE MC
Posts: 26

If somthing dosent happen or if we dont try to help our selves we all could be in for a down fall. We as cowhaulers need somthing like that if we need the help do you think ooida will do somthing for us no is there any body standing up for us in washington saying that livestock cant be on a trailr that long or some one fighting and telling the buyer that much weight you need two trucks no its time we take our companys back and tell them what were going to haule or they need to start paying more. I will be the first to sighn up young gun cattle co.

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Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 07:29 AM CST
CARLOS
Posts: 22

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Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 07:42 AM CST
JUSTIN ELLIOTT
Posts: 9

Well I not a huge supporter of a union, but I think this is a really good idea. As long as the dues are reasonable and there is some proof as to where the money is going and what it is being used for. I think that all the representatives sound be volunteer not super high paid people that way they are there truly because they believe in this, not to collect a fate paycheck. They should have their travel expenses paid . It would be nice to have a strong voice to be heard in our industry. Maybe this is just what our industry needs.

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Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 07:58 AM CST
PRIMETIME EXPRESS
PRIME TIME EXPRESS
CORSICA, SD
605-946-5657

Posts: 32
funny you should post this, I was contemplating such an idea just the other day. But finally come to the realization that it probably would never happen just for the plain simple fact that there are figuratively "20 million" other associations out there that are supposed to be representing the trucking industry in one form or another and all to my knowledge have completely failed to represent the small business owner and drivers completely! Whether it be OOIDA, who is supposed to represent owner-operators or the American trucking Assoc. that is supposed to represent the industry as a whole, even our State Trucking Assoc. have forsaken us in one form or another! So for this reason I think many people are soured on Associations. I truly believe that we need to organize and also firmly believe that we need to stand together, but what format that is, is beyond me! A friend of mine and I tried to organize trucking firms, small companies and drivers to protest high fuel cost two years ago, thinking at the time it was a great start to getting the industry to organize as a whole. Because what more of a reason was there to organize, than the effect high fuel cost was having on us as an industry and as a nation. We had a hundred people show up and 9 trucks!! Kind of put me in my place and humbled me! So next time it will be with trepidation. On that note I also learned a lot. I do feel that most people agree that things need to change in the industry but few have the revenue to sustain some of the radical movements that are usually thrown around as a way of getting our views across. i.e. truck strike (which by the way is illegal). I feel we can get our views across by targeting just one state at a time, one packing plant at a time all the way to one truck stop at a time, if that is what it takes. I also feel that most people think that their small vote won't amount to diddly crap and that it is just easier to let others do the fighting for them! Not that they don't want the fight, it's just not always relayed that their vote counts and is needed. The voice we have as an industry is enormous and could be devastating. How we get that voice to unite and be heard as one is the ultimate question! But if you can get it done dude I will throw my full support behind you and assist you in any means to my ability. signed Brian at PrimeTime REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 07:58 AM CST
BRUCE WRIGHT
Posts: 24

How is a union illeagle? You have a constitutional right to organise , you cannot be fired from a job for belonging to a union or trying to organise your work place . The ideals behind unions is right , the problem has been greed , get more for doing less . That has been their undoing . Trucking association have never worked .Your best chance is contacting your representitives ,they only know what what the transportation department  tells them , prove to then 2010 is bad .

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Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 08:49 AM CST
PRIMETIME EXPRESS
PRIME TIME EXPRESS
CORSICA, SD
605-946-5657

Posts: 32
Let me clarify and correct something that I last posted. Strikes are not illegal, Unions are! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 09:30 AM CST
TROY GREINER
Posts: 16

Thanks Brian, we don't or should I say won't call them/it a union,perhaps the T-shirts say it for us,         "NATIONAL BULLHAULERS ASSOC" , I and I believe many of us would pay an organizational fee for the speakers,monthly updates,our own lobbyists at the HILL and so -on .Its the protection we lack and the STRONG VOICE we need heard, keep this topic hot . I am communicating to people on this and they are going to see each comment. THANKS..

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Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 09:30 AM CST
MAT MORALES
Posts: 30
i would do what i could to help. I dont really like unions though. The automotive guys have just about unionised themselves out of a job. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 09 2010 10:03 AM CST
TROY GREINER
Posts: 16
With the current situation already on edge,and the new 2010 rule about to ruin our very existance doing what we truelly love to do., would you all give me your honest thoughts about forming a BONEFIED BULLHAULERS UNION. I mean complete with dues,benefits to our injured, legal representation a strong voice to protect our chosen way of life, and REAL RATE PROTECTION without the terms,BACKHAUL.  Limits to weights and real miles for loads delivered. Can we actually take and form a Brotherhood like this I am discribing to you and implement it so all stand to be heard and continue to ship what our nation and many others want, our family raised beef/pork.       Will we start by taking the time to gather and confront our Govnmt who is determind to put us out and then they bring in the G-Fleet. Corperate cowtrucks? the hell!!
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Posted Wed, Mar 10 2010 08:41 AM CST
PRIMETIME EXPRESS
PRIME TIME EXPRESS
CORSICA, SD
605-946-5657

Posts: 32
I looked it up and think I have been informed wrong! To my best understanding unions in the trucking industry are not illegal, just impractical. I have been told that the U.S. Gov't would not allow unionizing of the trucking industry after deregulation. From what I have read that information is incorrect! EFFECT OF DEREGULATION >"The Motor Carrier Act of 1980 partly deregulated the trucking industry by making it easier to obtain permits and by easing restrictions on the operation of various types of carriers. Trucking companies could now discount the standard tariff rate, but must file the discounted rates with the ICC. Prior to deregulation, the trucking industry was heavily unionized. Since trucking companies would file for new tariffs whenever the unions negotiated higher wages, both union members and trucking companies would prosper. With deregulation, price competition increased, which resulted in lower profit margins and forced many companies out of business. It became increasingly difficult for the trucking companies to operate with union drivers. Since union drivers receive additional benefits through provisions in the union contracts for medical coverage and funding of the union pension plan, their compensation is usually 35 percent more than non- union drivers. To reduce operating costs, new corporations would be formed to operate with non-union drivers or independent contractors. As of today, the Government's role in the transportation industry consists primarily of (1) providing funding for certain transportation facilities and (2) regulating certain aspects of transportation, such as safety. The Surface Transportation Act of 1982 which sets uniform size and weight limits for the trucking industry nationwide is an example of this. Under this law, trucks that use interstate highways may not weigh in excess of 80,000 lb"< Now this was quoted from an IRS overview and all it addresses is individual companies, so I would have to do some more investigating on the subject. I do feel unions are impractical and has way to many implications for small businesses that you would never get them all on board. Though an organization such as an association may be helpful, it would be hard for them to enforce any kind of rules or regulations that a union would be able too. There again there have been so many associations started that have claimed to help the trucking industry in one form or another it would be hard to get everyone to trust in it. And to make it successful you would need just about everybody to jump on board. Do not misunderstand me, I feel this is a great idea, like I said we had the idea a couple of years ago. It's just hard to get everyone on the same page and moving in the same direction, EVEN if they all agree on the same principals. There are a lot of hurdles to cross and everyone needs to put their views in, not just 7 people out of 240 viewing! signed Brian at PrimeTime REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Sat, Mar 13 2010 09:57 AM CST
MIKE RUDD
RUDD TRUCKING LLC.
GARLAND, UT
435-279-4090

Posts: 3

 Organizations are great! I belong to a few of them, have served as a director on two different boards with two different organizations.  If everyone has the same agenda, goal, and desired end result they are very effective.  This is where it usually goes wrong.  Most people who are passionate about there cause tend to be difficult to work with.  We as group are "bull haulers", as individuals we are generally a person with one or more trucks trying to survive a bad economy as business owners.  One truck with the driver as the owner has very different set of challenges than one guy with multiple trucks and drivers!  I would love to join an organization that gives my ideals and goals the power by numbers created by a large organization but honestly we could never come to a concensos  on what should be done.  As i sit at my kitchen table and write this comment someone is in Idaho loading my load of cattle on their truck because the cattle buyer could save himself $800.00 bucks on a 1000 mile load.... YEEE Haaaah! God Bless America!!!

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Posted Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:14 PM CST
MAT MORALES
Posts: 30
why do we not get a fuel surcharge like frieght haulers do? What if the rate should be 3 bucks but instead we hauled it for 2.80 with the surcharge? REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 17 2010 02:35 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Originally Posted by: MAT MORALES
Quote: "why do we not get a fuel surcharge like frieght haulers do? What if the rate should be 3 bucks but instead we hauled it for 2.80 with the surcharge?"

The freight haulers are going broke even with the surcharge because that rate is around $1.30 with the charge added in, add in dead head miles and it is not good. As for cattle these brokers are getting rich on here getting these loads and finding someone to haul them for $3.00 a mile or less. And as for the ones hauling these $2.50 loads with fuel close to $3.00  thanks for helping me make more money next year because you will not be around, but someone new will take your place maybe they will be a little smarter.

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Posted Wed, Mar 17 2010 10:14 AM CST
SHAWN EDGERTON
WALCOTT, IA
563-349-7337

Posts: 10

Hey fellow bull haulers.I completly agree with this,we need and oranization not a union.I am a comapany driver previous owner operator and looking at the first of the year going back to owner operator and would love to be apart of something that would take are industry back and put it in are control agian and not these money grubin cut throating brokers.Im kinda of one of the lucky ones the boss says dont haul more than the load pays.so we dont overload like i used to.Hes pretty perticular about that which is great.We really need to get together and stop letting people take advantage of us.So as about to be a company owner agian im all for some help and organization in are great way of life.

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Posted Tue, Mar 23 2010 10:09 AM CST
TROY GREINER
Posts: 16

This is the start of our STAND, comments, any and all. Please those 1300 plus that are viewing or topic please take the time to comment, you can't tell me you clicked to the other pages and never had something to say.Our comments and voices need to be posted so we can give our needs and "way of life" the oppertunity to snowball now, that whitehouse just signed our kids and there kids up for a lifetime of DEBT, we ARE the backbone of America, we can put this to work in our benefit , we need your response now.  Thanks....

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Posted Sun, Oct 03 2010 09:03 AM CST
BRAD WINTERS
Posts: 1

I would like to see organization of full time Bull haulers but we have all seen the mentality of  the freighthaulers bleeding over into the livestock hauling . The last month I have loaded with lots of trucks who are from large trucking companies that have multiple divisions {flatbed,reefer,grain,etc} with some cattle trailers sitting around all year, then hook on and haul stock for cheap in the fall an spring when their other divisions are slow and these brokers will load them cheap as possible an base their rates from what these cut rate haulers will do it for and these brokers will loadem fast as they can and no loyalty to haulers who have done a good job for them in the past. I have heard for 10 years now that the rate cutters will go out of business and I know alot of them have but they just keep coming out of the woodwork an for everyone of them that go broke there seems to be 2 or 3 more replace them. Between government regulation greedy Brokers and large cut rate trucking companies I see the hand writing on the wall like many other friends and aquantences I believe its gonna be hard times for trucking, its already a very poor investment with the cost of equipment,parts and labor and Brokers cutting rates below profitability levels, I think I will invest my time and money in something more profitable and entertaining like Las Vegas. 

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Posted Sun, Oct 10 2010 10:02 AM CST
CLINTON ELROD
Posts: 7

All Unions end up the same.  They start with good intentions and end up being what they are now.  Just look at the teamsters and the UAW.  NO WAY ON ANY UNION!!!!!!!

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Posted Mon, Oct 11 2010 06:02 AM CST
GARY BETHARD
Posts: 23

Conceptually I totally agree with the idea presented however, I am totally against "unions" and what they are in todays world in other businesses.  The big problem with this idea is it needs political power.  In 2010 political power is very simply exercised with MONEY and lots of it.  Our industry (owner operators/small business owners) do not have enough of it to gain political power.  The ideals of our nation/economy and how it was built with the power of the people does not register with people anymore.  Especially with regards to a commodity(Food) that the general public regards as right not something you have to acquire.  If we were talking about computers, I-pods, some sort of soft-drink or clothing we might have a better chance.  I like the idea, but boy is it going to be difficult.

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Posted Sat, Nov 13 2010 08:59 PM CST
CANDICE COOLEY
PATRONE LIVESTOCK
TWIN FALLS, ID
208-604-3839

Posts: 1

We have all been through the good and the bad, unfortunately a union will not help this matter. As a front we want to be united, but in reality we all have different hauls that call for different rates, and work with different people. There are pig haulers that take fat pigs to CA, and will haul out of there for what works for them. There are fat cattle haulers, who go from WY and CO to UT and haul for less east and that works for them. There is nothing wrong with this, it is a competitive business just like anything else. We all have the people we haul for and the rates that works for us. If you don't like the rate, tell them, no and find what works for you. Some want to call it "cutting the rate" but if your truck is making money than that's great, at least you have figured it out.

Brokers are not the problem, if a broker takes advantage of you then don't work for them. Cattleman want to call one person and have 10 trucks at their beck and call, not call 20 trucks and maybe get 5 of them. None of us are perfect but I can say, as I'm sure many of you can, trucks back out at times. There is a number of reasons why it happens, but it happens and when they back out the guy sorting, weighing and shipping does not have the time to handle this, and never will. This is where a broken comes in and takes the heat. A union will do nothing but divide us even more, we want to stand together but as in any business we worry about what "our' trucks make, not what the other guys make and that is just business.

There is not a truck out there that will not load for full rate one way, and cut the rate the other way if it gets him home loaded. Nor is there a cattleman that will turn down a cheap rate, nor a truck that will turn down a high rate. Its keeps us going and always will no matter who you are and if it doesn't then don't do it.

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Posted Sun, Nov 14 2010 02:26 PM CST
STEVEN HOMFELD
B&S LIVESTOCK
HIGGINSVILLE, MO
660-641-0185

Posts: 11
Originally Posted by: CANDICE COOLEY
Quote: " We have all been through the good and the bad, unfortunately a union will not help this matter. As a front we want to be united, but in reality we all have different hauls that call for different rates, and work with different people. There are pig haulers that take fat pigs to CA, and will haul out of there for what works for them. There are fat cattle haulers, who go from WY and CO to UT and haul for less east and that works for them. There is nothing wrong with this, it is a competitive business just like anything else. We all have the people we haul for and the rates that works for us. If you don't like the rate, tell them, no and find what works for you. Some want to call it cutting the rate but if your truck is making money than that's great, at least you have figured it out. Brokers are not the problem, if a broker takes advantage of you then don't work for them. Cattleman want to call one person and have 10 trucks at their beck and call, not call 20 trucks and maybe get 5 of them. None of us are perfect but I can say, as I'm sure many of you can, trucks back out at times. There is a number of reasons why it happens, but it happens and when they back out the guy sorting, weighing and shipping does not have the time to handle this, and never will. This is where a broken comes in and takes the heat. A union will do nothing but divide us even more, we want to stand together but as in any business we worry about what our' trucks make, not what the other guys make and that is just business. There is not a truck out there that will not load for full rate one way, and cut the rate the other way if it gets him home loaded. Nor is there a cattleman that will turn down a cheap rate, nor a truck that will turn down a high rate. Its keeps us going and always will no matter who you are and if it doesn't then don't do it. "

i think u need to get ur head on streght.i have been hauling livestock for 23 years.back in the 90's fuel was .90 to 1.00 a gallon and the rate was 1.80 to 2.00 per mile both ways .the rate avg .80 to 1.00 over the fuel.y should i haul one way for one guy for 1.00 and the other way for 2.80.i think there r too many want tobe cowhaulers out there.

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