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| Posted Sat, Jan 22 2011 08:29 PM CST | ||
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TYRELL BROWNFIELD COLORADO LIVESTOCK CARRIES LLC HOLLY, CO 719-688-0028 Posts: 2 |
Here is the deal. about 2 months ago. We hauld a load of calves to a feed lot. while unloading one of the calves while on the shoot( Off the truck) broke a leg. Now they don't want to pay the freight bill. What if any can be done? Today we got bent over again, unloaded a load at a feed lot paper work signed all animal on scales I'm walking back to truck and they start yelling about a cripple, I called the trucking company that we hald them for and they think i should pay. seeing they havn't paid me yet I sure they will want to hold it out of the freight which would mean I hauld that load for free. Any thoughts or sugestion. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Mon, Jan 24 2011 06:37 AM CST | ||
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ESTER KILLJOY FAMILY AFFAIR DISPATCH HUNTSVILLE, AL Posts: 9 |
With our trucks we started maken sure all drivers look very close at all cattle before loading and be nice but stern that you see one lame or cut or what not and If you do load it make sure destination knows about it and shipper signs that there is a possible downer. We have been getting same thing last couple years more then before. Goodluck on getting your money hope you do them are hard hits to take in todays market |
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| Posted Fri, Feb 04 2011 02:49 PM CST | ||
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FLOYD CHAMBERS STARKAN INC EDNA, KS 620-922-3258 Posts: 1 |
welcome to trucking. Do what we all do and pay for the calf. I put .10cents/hd in savings account for every hd I haul, that way it is not so hard to come up with the money. |
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| Posted Fri, Feb 04 2011 03:23 PM CST | ||
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ESTER KILLJOY FAMILY AFFAIR DISPATCH HUNTSVILLE, AL Posts: 9 |
we all end up haven to pay for them I'm thinkn thats not the point it is just hard hit and if they sneek a hurt one in on ya that sucks at .10cents a head it would take at least 10,000 more like 15,000 head to pay for one with cattle prices the way they are. but its very good idea to have a plan our o/o and us have came up with a. Pot as we call it everybody puts $100 in every two weeks per truck and if there is a issue we pay out of that if not we all usally take it out in july divide and we all take a week vaction to los vegas, | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Feb 04 2011 03:24 PM CST | ||
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ESTER KILLJOY FAMILY AFFAIR DISPATCH HUNTSVILLE, AL Posts: 9 |
we all end up haven to pay for them I'm thinkn thats not the point it is just hard hit and if they sneek a hurt one in on ya that sucks at .10cents a head it would take at least 10,000 more like 15,000 head to pay for one with cattle prices the way they are. but its very good idea to have a plan our o/o and us have came up with a. Pot as we call it everybody puts $100 in every two weeks per truck and if there is a issue we pay out of that if not we all usally take it out in july divide and we all take a week vaction to los vegas, | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Fri, Feb 04 2011 03:29 PM CST | ||
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ESTER KILLJOY FAMILY AFFAIR DISPATCH HUNTSVILLE, AL Posts: 9 |
we all end up haven to pay for them I'm thinkn thats not the point it is just hard hit and if they sneek a hurt one in on ya that sucks at .10cents a head it would take at least 10,000 more like 15,000 head to pay for one with cattle prices the way they are. but its very good idea to have a plan our o/o and us have came up with a. Pot as we call it everybody puts $100 in every two weeks per truck and if there is a issue we pay out of that if not we all usally take it out in july divide and we all take a week vaction to los vegas, | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Mon, Feb 07 2011 09:37 AM CST | ||
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NICK WITTJE JR. T & N TRUCKING LLC DIXON, MO 573-759-3899 Posts: 1 |
I dont understand any of you! Are we livestock haulers or vets? We are not the buyers or the shippers, we are simply the transporters. We are not there when the livestock is purchased. We do not see the livestock at the farm in its natural state. We did not haul the livestock from the farm to the stockyards, maybe a calf was down on the gooseneck while being transported from the farm and suffered internal injuries that no one can see. Later dies on the pot while intransit to feed yard ext... Have you ever seen an animal that looks perfectly healthy one day and dead the next? If you have been around livestock as long as I have then surley you have seen this. Stockyard facilities, livestock trailers, feed yard and also ranch facilities are not completely injury proof. A buyer should know this and assum risks as part of their buisness, just like we as truck drivers assum risks in our buisness: breakdowns, road hazzards, and such. We have our own responsibilities in our buisness why shoud we also assum the responsibility of someone elses buisness? When does our responsibility cease? Should we also be held responsible for a cow or hog that does not pass inspection at a packing plant. Maybe we should also be responsible for spoiled meat and ecoli contaminations. While hauling livestock for a shipper that is over weight, would they pay the ticket? Would the pay for a blown out tire or any other of our responsibilities like they would have us pay for their misfortunes? These are trucks, they break down. WE are hauling LIVEstock, it dies! These are the risks of our buisness decisions. Be a man and assum your own and do not take it out on others! Now, if a truck was exessivley late due to some unforseen problems or some dumb driver was goofing off at the truckstop for fifteen hours that would give reason for the truck to be held liable for individual injury or death of livestock. If the livestock was delivered in a timely fashion and loaded properly, not to pile on ten extra head to cause possible downers and undo stress on livestock just to save a buck on trucking( penny wise and dollar foolish). Why should the truck be held responsible. I spoke with a friend awhile back and against his better judgement the shipper overloaded his truck with calves. In doing so, two were down and later died upon delivery. The calves on the trailer averaged seven hundred dollars per head. The trucking bill for that load was less than fourteen hundred dollars. Why as livestock haulers should we have to pay for those foolish decisons. I WILL NOT!! | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Mon, Feb 07 2011 03:46 PM CST | ||
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ESTER KILLJOY FAMILY AFFAIR DISPATCH HUNTSVILLE, AL Posts: 9 |
you may not nor do we want to either but have you seen all these new o/o young guys that think since they got a nice fancy truck they going to just drive around and look cool hell I thnk alot of them dont give a dam if they make money or not if wheels turning diesel burning but they dont figure that till mr. banker comes a knockn. Both me and my husband born and raised on a ranch and been livestock hauln since the 70s. and yes we have Very many responsiblities with just our bussness on the road and truck but 90% of the time we are a free hand for the ranchers we sort the cows help bring them in hell sumtmes get sucked into helpen ear tag or sum dam thing its always sumthing but until everybody says no more free labor and no more payn for accidents it will continue to stay the same and get worse cause Gurenteed we will not all take a stand no way never happen to many cut throats | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |
| Posted Thu, Feb 10 2011 03:36 AM CST | ||
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CHARLIE NEWSOM CANEY CREEK TRUCKING , TX 903-388-5635 Posts: 12 |
What is the companys name that wont pay you and if they all walked off the trailer and they signed your bill you are not liable for whats on the ground that gets hurt its there cattle now let other drivers know what the companys name is so we can beware of them to |
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| Posted Fri, Feb 11 2011 06:23 AM CST | ||
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TAMMIE STIFFLEMIRE LEASED TO HEREFORD, TX 254-879-4280 Posts: 8 |
Mr.Newsom is quite right. Your cattle were off loaded and your bill was signed so there is nothing they can do. They accepted the cattle in good condition. I would also like to know of these people who are refusing to pay so we can stay away from them. For any drivers looking for a job stay away from Archie and Terri Neal, out of Canton,TX. They are leased to Southwest. Southwest pays them but then they decide they don't have to pay their drivers the way they are suppossed to. This is personal knowledge. Not heresay. We never received a paycheck from these people so now we are going to court. |
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| Posted Sun, Feb 27 2011 02:50 PM CST | ||
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KENNY KAY CUSTOM CATTLE COMPANY, INC. HALLSVILLE, TX 903-720-2324 Posts: 55 |
Tyrell, you have recieved a lot of good advice on how to collect. I've learned a couple of things that have made my business more profittable. I learned aolng time ago to stop agruing with shippers, feed lots, ranchers, farmers and others by taking care of me first. What does this mean, you may be asking, I installed video inside and outside of my truck and trailer. Up in the nose of the trailer is a camera that allows me to see this section of livestock, two cameras are mounted in the center, one is mounted in the rear of the trailer and the last one is mounted outside the trailer. This camera allows me to view the cattle as they are coming up the ramp reading to load. I not only use these cameras to caputure everything concerning the load, but on many occassions while loading out in a pasture I take a hand held video camera and film the livestock being gathered before loading. I document every load and then assign it to the bill of laiding. I can not tell you how many times it has saved me from having to eat the expenses of an injured animal or death of one! These video's are worth there weight in gold, when a company is looking to the Transporter to eat cost. One funny thing about it, Every load i've hauled, a least one person ask whats that on the back of the trailer. I respond, "its my security system." The looks and the under the breath comments it causes is enough to let most know I'm not playing around wit them. This is not to say that some bad livestock don't get loaded it just reaffrims it wasn't due to me. The truth of the matter is i have won every case in which i fought since installing them. In our business there are so many things that can go wrong, all i'm saying is I try to take me out of the equation! Another tool in the tool box i use is on board scales. Usually makes some one mad when i tell them their going to have to pull some off, because i'm not paying for any over weight tickets or taking a chance of livestock hurting one another due to over crowding! Another tool is as some have mentioned, i use a precentage of the load to help with "hazards," things that happen for what ever reasons. I'll take 3% of frieght rate and escrow it. Good luck with your endeavors. |
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| Posted Mon, Mar 07 2011 10:09 PM CST | ||
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TYRELL BROWNFIELD COLORADO LIVESTOCK CARRIES LLC HOLLY, CO 719-688-0028 Posts: 2 |
I will update with the names and feed yards soon I just need to gether the info. | REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE |