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ANYONE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CSA 2010
Posted Tue, Dec 15 2009 12:55 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50

What is the site to find out about the points? I know they are cracking down the first of next month,  maybe be will be good in the long run. These rates might get 4-5 dollars a mile. With fewer trucks on the road it will not be as easy to hire these 2 dollar trucks. One good thing what i have heard is that the shipper/owner of cattle will be responsible to all overweight and fines. This should get these loads down to 47000lb  or less they need to be anyway.

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Posted Tue, Dec 15 2009 03:11 AM CST
ALAN GOBBELL
Posts: 4

Nowhere does it state that the owner/shipper will be repsonsible for overweight fines or any fines for that matter. It will lay more responsibilty on the driver not the company. If you own your own truck and drive it you are in more trouble because you will be charged driver points and points to your authority if it not in a company name. It is also correct that points are charged the same for warnings as tickets.

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Posted Tue, Dec 15 2009 05:45 AM CST
MARLYN
Posts: 17

I like the plan.   Wait dont get mad,  maybe this will get rates up to where they should be.  Maybe it will get rid of some SUPERTRUCKERS .   Maybe the shipper will learn the cheap truck aint the best truck.  Maybe the dispatch will work with the O/O or driver,  not the buyer.   Maybe I dont know, we'll see.    Marry christmas to all have a good year to come  and be safe. 

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Posted Tue, Dec 15 2009 07:07 AM CST
JEFF MERCER
Posts: 5

i do not on gods earth know how this a good thing. under the new rules, we are expected to be perfect. sh!& happens, now everything little thing costs points, even warnings. but your all right, more government is just what  this industry needs. deregulation worked so well.

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Posted Tue, Dec 15 2009 09:08 AM CST
DAVID OR BOBBIE STANBERRY
Posts: 22

Many of you truckers are unaware of what is coming down the line starting Jan 2010, Companies have until June 2010.  Drivers are given 75 points to start with in Jan.  Any tickets or warning tickets given in the past 3 years will count against your 75 points.  The main problem with this is if you have been given a WARNING ticket or ticket in the year 2009 the points are triple, 2008 tickets are doubled and 2007 are actual points assested as will be in 2010.  When you have lost the 75 points given, starting in 2010, you are parked until audits and schooling and other steps have been taken.  JUST TO LET YOU KNOW....a blown head light is 6 points off your 75.  If you got a warning ticket or ticket for the head light in 2009 it is 18 points off your 75 points.  

Don't take my word for it, as I have only heard about it thru the trucking channel on XM radio and it is posted on the internet.  I found all this under CSA 2010 vehicle maintanence severity chart which gives points that will be deducted for warning tickets and actual tickets.  The DOT will give warning tickets more often due to the fact you CANNOT fight warning tickets but they will start counting against you.  Please take the time to check this out.  The Government is trying their best to shut the trucking industry down.  This just might do it.  Thanks for your time. 

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Posted Tue, Dec 15 2009 10:11 AM CST
MIKE FULLER
Posts: 17

I just looked at the csa2010. I agree that this will change trucking dramatically. I would not fall into the the category of automatic fail but I beleve that after 2 years a driver could lose his liscense very easily. This program is also eliminating the safestat scoring system and replacing it with a new one.

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Posted Wed, Dec 16 2009 08:40 AM CST
MIKE CHALUPA
Posts: 18

We are Doomed unless we can organize and agree on some thing they will pick us off one at a time . CSA 2010 is not about safety its about tax and total control of the trucking industry they will regulate us to death if we don't organize .

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Posted Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:26 AM CST
LARRY KENT
Posts: 4

one thing this will do is make driver's pay more attention to doing a PTI, and be more cautious speeds etc. It will make some guys think twice about hauling overweight, and the ones that do are gambaling with higher stakes now that it would mean points against their drivers lisence. there are pros and cons to the changing of rules and regulations. TIME WILL TELL.

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Posted Thu, Dec 17 2009 11:29 PM CST
APRIL DUNN
Posts: 1

HAS ANYONE READ ABOUT THE NEW BLACK BOX THAT TRUCKERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ON THERE TRUCKS...IS THIS JUST FOR NEW TRUCKS OR FOR EVERY TRUCK ON THE ROAD, AND DOES THAT MEAN WE DONT HAVE TO DO A LOG BOOK NOW, YEA RIGHT, I JUST THINK ITS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO CONTROL THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY...THE GOVERMENT NEEDS TO BACK OFF THE TRUCKING INDUSTY AND WORK ON BIGGER FISH TO FRY THEN ALL OF US OUT HERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A DOLLAR...BUT I AM CUROUS TO KNOW SOME INPUT ON THE BLACK BOX, READ ABOUT IT BUT DIDNT SAY MUCH SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANY KNEW MORE THEN I DID...THANKS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS

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Posted Fri, Dec 18 2009 12:14 AM CST
CHRIS VON D
Posts: 7

I went to the website, read over the CSA 2010. I am not impressed nor excited. This feels like a having a gun against your head waiting for the DOT to pull the trigger.

As far as when you get points deducted for vehicle inspections or failures, I can only imagine what my boss would say if I called and said" Mr. Bossman, my truck just had "something" break. I could make it to unload, then make it to the shop when I get by there, however, since the DOT would consider this a problem, and I do not want points deducted, I am going to have the truck towed to the nearest shop to be fixed. Please send another truck 780 miles out of it's way to get the cattle off my truck." I'm sure I would not  have to worry about the DOt, cause I would not have a job.

Instead of the DOT weeding us out and ruining careers for drivers, how about making it a little more hard to get a CDL? Stop people like Swift and Central Refrigerated and so along from running CDL Mills and putting out drivers like  clockwork. Even better, they put a driver in training, teach him how to pass a CDL test, toss em in a truck and if he doesn't kill someone after 3 months, hell make him a trainer.

I do agree that there are even cow truckers who do not need to be in a truck, but still rather than hurt everyone with these rules, stop people from becoming a trucker if they do not need to be one. I do not think that these stricter rules will weed out crappy drivers and companies, thus bringing rates back up. shitbags always prevail. The crappy people and companies will find a way to stay out there. Only the good, honest folk will be hurt.

Well thats my two cents.

Feel free to comment, unless you are gonna act like a high schooler and just bitch to cause drama.

 

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Posted Fri, Dec 18 2009 12:53 AM CST
GARY BETHARD
Posts: 23

All of the comments made above have some valid points.  I have not read CVSA 2010 yet so I cannot speak very intelligently to it yet.  This kind of snuck up on many people, including me!  I read Landline and Transport Topics fairly regularly and have not seen too much of a big deal made of this which kind of surprises me a little. 

Today, I got called for a random breathalizer test from my safety and compliance company I have hired.    They brought up a point that has not been mentioned.  CVSA 2010 was going to be a HUGE revenue boost for the DOT. 

I think we ALL need to read this document thoroughly, then draw conclusions.  Do not draw conclusions based on someone's comments who has not read the document or some idiot on the CB.

 

Good Luck

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Posted Fri, Dec 18 2009 05:25 AM CST
JEFF MERCER
Posts: 5

gentlemen, its time we quit lying down and takin sh** from the government. get online read these regulations, form your own opinions. but how can something that takes points for a violation or warning that happened 3 years ago. example- a headlight ticket is worth 6 points. one received in 2007= 6pts 2008= 12pts 2009= 18pts. this total crap! call whoever congressmen, senators, just call become a member of ooida, these rules can not go into effect. also Public Citizen is after another hours of service changes. guys and gals these groups need to quit dictating our livelyhood. mega trucking companies are going to rule the world if you dont. your voice does make a difference guys and gals. for one i have had enough. 

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Posted Fri, Dec 18 2009 10:05 AM CST
STACEY MORITZ
Posts: 1

How can anyone think this is o.k.? The last thing the trucking industry needs is more regulations. I would like to know what all these drivers are suppose to do when they get shut down?I am from a state that is commonly known to dislike trucks. I agree there is alot of drivers that should not be on the road . But with all these states broke do you think that they are really going to be fair? NO!!

Will it bring the rates up? I don't know.But I do know the only ones hiring is goverment agencies that go after the trucking industry.I am not a company driver but a O/O.

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Posted Fri, Dec 25 2009 07:22 AM CST
RICHARD MONTGUMARY
Posts: 1

 i think this is a joke the law is just as crooked if not worse than anyone

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Posted Fri, Dec 25 2009 09:03 AM CST
LEE LARSON
Posts: 4

Thank you for posting this.  I was not aware of it until I read about it here.  Am I worried?  A little......yes.  Playing "dumb farmer" won't work for much longer will it?

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Posted Tue, Dec 29 2009 09:38 AM CST
MIKE CHALUPA
Posts: 18

What concerns me is the DOT is getting more strict all the time and preying on the Ag truckers as are for the large part small companies and independent truckers and don't have a safety department keeping them legal . the DOT makes a lot of money off us and it is a revenue issue more than safety issue . at the same time they know we over load and run over hours take Texas for instance they pull over every cow truck they can profiling us . and have a better chance of making revenue off of us as for the most part we are out laws for instance if you have a load that goes 800 miles by law it should take 25 hours to get there if you followed HOS now most bull haulers would deliver the load and then take a break instead of driving 11 hours and then taking a 14 hour break 2 hours from the packing house . this law will take a lot of good drivers off the road as well as hot rods . when the CDL came out it got rid of more good drivers than bad ones and a lot of old hands just quit and I think this may happen again and the driving schools are going to make a lot of money . and packing houses and large companies will own the majority of trucks hauling cattle and hogs . corporations are taking over  America they own the ranches , cattle and packing houses the independent truckers and ranchers are at there mercy as they dictate the prices . that is the way our government wants it the corporations have the money to lobby them and make the laws in their favor. that is why we need a strong trucking association to work for us to counter these kind of insane laws that our government comes up with.

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Posted Sun, Jan 03 2010 08:21 AM CST
KEVIN SMITH
Posts: 37

 

ks actually started increased enforcement on this Dec 18,I have asked several officers I have seen specific questions about this and they cant be answered.I asked a DOT officer that also does compliance audits only to get disturbed at the powers that are included in this.Another intersting thing that is repeatedly talked about is the teamsters intially contributed the funding for this enforcement action.My quess is it will take 911 calls to report the fortune 500,1000 companies that seem to never see a roadside inspection(reporting headlites and so on).As well protests need to start now that include the fact the university in michigan that is the data keepers on this have unproven computer programs.One thing that is really troubling is the fact that the officer at his discretion can label you fatigued and out of service EVEN THOUGH THE LOG BOOK DOESNT INDICATE IT.Ks has been writing a lot of inconsistent log book tickets because of this.Another thing that is troubling is if you avoid roadside inspections the feds through this college in michigan will take your score to a 90 to make all of your units a mandtory inspect if your score is in the optional inspect category.the old way of just startin a new company under another name to keep trucking is also done due to record keeping by the feds.It really appears to me this new bunch of crap is geared specifically towrds small fleets and owner ops with their own authority.We all know that is what the majority of livestock is hauled by.This also kind of le punishes the owner driver TWICE.Add alll of this to warren buffits desire to build more rail lines for a trans america line on top of the democrat ladie from Ca comments about dumping billions into transportation because of the ease of training people for a low skilled job(truck drivers)indicates a few things to me------this is they will use trucking to circulate jobs retraining auto workers and other perfect log book lemmings types to drive for the 4 years it will take to get alll of these new rails built.all of the unspent road money will go to these rails as the cost has gotten close to being equal .THIS NEEDS TO BE FOUGHT AND QUICK  

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Posted Sun, Jan 03 2010 08:54 AM CST
REECE OR NAN
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by: MIKE CHALUPA
Quote: "We are Doomed unless we can organize and agree on some thing they will pick us off one at a time . CSA 2010 is not about safety its about tax and total control of the trucking industry they will regulate us to death if we don't organize ."

We cannot let this happen stand up and fight the people trying to make this happen.

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Posted Tue, Jan 05 2010 08:35 AM CST
MIKE SCHRADER
Posts: 1

i've been in this business for 6 years now, i've always kept my equipment updated (no not brand spanking new either). there's no reason why i shouldn't, who wants to be 1000 miles away from home with troubles. you guys talking about being given a warning for a blown headlight, why, dont you do a walk around, or meet someone that will holler at you to let you know. keep a spare. personally, this job requires more work to watch others on the road than myself, i've noticed alot of junk running up and down these highways lately. maybe the answer is to either do it right or not at all. call me an ass if you want, and no i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

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Posted Tue, Jan 05 2010 11:31 PM CST
DAVID OR BOBBIE STANBERRY
Posts: 22
Originally Posted by: MIKE SCHRADER
Quote: "i've been in this business for 6 years now, i've always kept my equipment updated (no not brand spanking new either). there's no reason why i shouldn't, who wants to be 1000 miles away from home with troubles. you guys talking about being given a warning for a blown headlight, why, dont you do a walk around, or meet someone that will holler at you to let you know. keep a spare. personally, this job requires more work to watch others on the road than myself, i've noticed alot of junk running up and down these highways lately. maybe the answer is to either do it right or not at all. call me an ass if you want, and no i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth."

Ever flip your headlights on and it blows?  Yes, I do pretrip inspections but you can't control the bumps in the road tearing your stuff up.  We have very nice equipment, not new, but we take pride in our ride.  I changed the headlight the day before and it worked, then as soon as I turned them on while driving it went out.   The cop even seen it come on when tapped which made me realize there was a bare wire somewhere so see shit happens!!!  I also carry spare lights but I guess I thought it was fixed. 

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Posted Wed, Jan 06 2010 06:25 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50

Well I still have never seen a light go out while the truck is sitting still. So how do you know when a marker light in the back of your trailer goes out until you stop and walk around. They might be working when you check them and five miles down the road it goes out, now you get pulled over and get a ticket. Yes I have had headlight go out but I will not pull over on the side of the road to put it in, I will find a parking lot.

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Posted Wed, Jan 06 2010 08:50 AM CST
SEAN N
Posts: 20

I think all in all this is a bad thing.  It is just another power grab from the powers that be.  They are jamming this down everyones throats under the guise of safety.  Some like to put some icing on top to try and make it taste better by saying it will remove bad drivers from the road, as well as companies, there by increasing freight and volume for those that are in compliance.  I do agree that these things will come from it somewhat, but I don't think giving more power to the man is ever a good thing.

I think big companies will be the ones that benefit from this.  Do you really think big companies, with big money, who use their money to fund some of these guys wet dreams are going to get picked on as much?  I doubt it!  They want us all to be wearing our tan suits, driving their truck.  Look at how they ran off all the owner ops from the ports in CA.  This was done under the assumption that it was "harmful to the enviroment" to let the old trucks continue to run there.  Now everyone is either being forced out, or in to a company truck.  Oh yeah, a union run company truck.  If that doesn't smell like the back of your trailer, then I don't know what does.

I just think the independents will be the ones to get picked on the most, while the big boys are able to slide by.  Even if they get written up on the side of the road, there will be some lawyer who gets their tickets, and points thrown out down the road.

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Posted Wed, Jan 06 2010 08:53 AM CST
BOBBY CRAWFORD
Posts: 9

I think the headlight being out is the least of our problems. Drivers saying we have to fight this. HOW? You cant put 2 drivers in the same room  they will cut each others troat. Just look at this board its proof.Maybe we need to be thined out.The way I see it there putin law in outlaw.I am probably on the top of the list.

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Posted Tue, Jan 26 2010 08:37 AM CST
JEREMY HODGDEN
Posts: 1

For everyone complaining about this new law think of it this way if u own the trucks and your drivers aint doing there pre trip and they get busted on the road the points goes to the company but for this new law it puts the points against the driver so in alot of ways its a good thing I have read up on this new law and its nothing new other then the driver gets the points instead of the owner so do your pre trip and get what needs to be fix done why should a owner of trucks get points against him when most truck drivers dont do there pre trip or speak up when they have a light out

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Posted Sun, May 02 2010 01:56 AM CST
RICH FOREMAN
Posts: 5

The tiny reefer company im with now is freaking out over it, now running close to legal put tracking devices on telephones to log by etc,pay dropped in 1/2.. i thinks its just another new game from the powerhouse white house.We had to learn how to play the game from the beginning why cant we find a way to play it again!i know i cant make money running this way and hope to get into livestock hauling.unless they start making you log by devices lol

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