how in the hell do you guys idoits haul for a $1.80 a mile???????????

The people who post these loads  at 1.80 should be embarassed to think that truckers are that desperate for a load . All they are looking to do is pad their pockets and do not give a dam if the trucker makes any money .

Well you seen these loads on the board last week for 2.00 a mile, i myself wouldnt haul one for that but they had plenty of trucks at 2.00, if they have plenty this week, wait next week it will be a 1.60 or so.I recently lost a deal going south to a southern company,they bid the loads at 1.40 a mile yes 1.40 a mile didnt know you can do shit that cheap but i guess they have a sharper pencil than i do. I guess you hang in as long as you can till they go broke. Good luck

I second that. How does a truck that carries cost of any sorts make anything but fuel money. I've seen bad years, but when it comes to giving it away to move a load, someone is taking the brunt. In the end, it is the customer because there will be less trucks and more out of business companies!

I wish I could tell the trailer companies that the loads are paying less, so can I have a 45-50% cost reduction! It just doesn't work. The same goes with insurance, maint. cost and windshield wiper fluid for that matter.

WOW!! Glad someone said something. People seem to forget. When greed gets into any part of any cycle. Something will break because the wheel needs grease all the way around. If it has anything to do with price shopping... If it's not affordable... you can't do it! Does a person who can swim jump in a lake to cool off? Nope stick to your bucket of water and quit killing others to sooth your desires!

I agree with the above responses.  But also remember that all things in business are negotiable.  I do not know the situation with the CO loads but they may be listed at that level and if you call and ask for more you might get it.   If your not smart enough to ask; you haul it for $1.80

I was hauling cattle in 1990 and 1.80-2.00 per mile was the average. I was paying $.99 per gal low to 1.20 high for fuel in California. A gallon of Rotella was $ 5.00/ gallon. Oil Changes were 125.00 dollars and so on.

    The cost of business was much cheaper so I hope everyone out there that hauls this cheap want be able to afford this computer sevice so therfore the rates should go up.

Your fuel cost alone on a trip like this 57 cents/mile if you end up with a 50% deadhead. Thats figured at 4.5mpg with fuel at $2.559/gal.

I sure as hell can't and will not do it.

I called and asked the man about the CO loads and 2.00 was the best he could do 2 weeks ago.

Smart move.  I can let my truck & trailer sit right here at the house and be better off financially than hauling that $2.00 load with the deadhead involved. 

I think many in the trucking and cow hauling industry have let  ourselves be led astray at times.  There are certain situations where hauling for $2.00 per mile can be OK, (just OK, not good)  You better be able to load back quickly and have very little deadhead to get to the load back(Notice I did not use the dreaded word, backhaul)  In siuations where you are running as many deadhead miles as loaded miles it can be difficult to survive.  That's why I always measure my performance based on a running mile along with  loaded mile.  We all know that there are not many times where the timing of both loads works together.  That's why these larger trucking/dispatch companies can haul cheaper at times because they are much more likely to have a truck in the area to make the timing work and minimize deadhead miles.

That's my two cents.

RE: HOW IN THE HELL. . . . .

         Recently our  15 year old daughter had a project in her algebra class in which they had to create a "mathematical language"  & then apply a formula to each new word."  The following is my favorite word from this newly formed language. (& i am proud to say she earned an A)

         "BULL HAULERS STREET SLANG"                                             

TROUT  { rate cutters fishing for cheap trucks.}  

 CUT-THROATS  {a breed of trout}                                                                 

       FISH vs. BULL HAULERS     >    {+$1.80 p/mile  -  $2.60 p/gallon fuel= }   

              [BULL HAULERS are becoming FISH FOOD]     

I'm sure not all of you on here are rookies so let me explain it to those of you who are. $1.80 per mile x 1000 miles = $1,800 one way then you load for full rate $3.00 per mile coming back 1000 miles = $3,000 throw in 40% dead head for a total of 2400 miles  on at total of $4,800 = $2.00 a running mile. you guys that will only haul for $3.00 a mile no matter what have at least 50% dead head and that = $1.50 a running mile. Are you seeing the big picture yet? I guess I can draw you a picture if you need it.

So what happens when you run out there for 1.80 and go to get that  3.00 load and you cant get it because some ass*&#@ cut it to 1.80?  Everyone keeps doing it for that and they will all pay 1.80! Want me to draw you a picture?

You said it if every one would get back haul out of thier minds all loads would be $3.00+ per mile both ways ,

i'd personally still rather haul for 1.71 than 1.50.......

Time you figure in your fuel cost for the extra loaded miles and maintenance that .21 cents is a lot less. What if you get overweight ticket, or one gets down and hurt, you just went in the hole.

40%of your 2000 loaded miles is 800 miles for a total of 2800 miles which is only 1.71 per mile

I'd like to know wher the 3.00 mile loads are year round  yes in the fall now until mid dec then it gets slow again .   you got pig haulers going south for 1.60 then bounce to tn ky ect then going west or north for 2.25  when there out west there getting cull cows for 1.5 to the midwest  then pigs next week going south same story.   you got fat cattle trucks from upnorth going to dodge then coming to tx for 2.  going north.  its hard to get a good rate any more because some truck needs to go home and will do it for cost to see kids he 's not seen in 3 wk .   YOU KNOW IT      I KNOW IT   AND BELEIVE IT OR  NOT     THE    CATTLE     BUYER   KNOWS  IT !!!!!!!!!!    !!!!!!!!!   lol

Just food for thought, There is no such thing as back haul your not hauling a load backwards if the shipper wants a load hauled it's a load it should pay like a load and  it would if every body would stop hauling cheap then it will go up, all we are doing is selling our selves out of business. And if we can hang in there when the guys that are hauling to cheap break down we will get our money because they will not have money to make repairs and then their out of business. Hold your prices it will help us all in the long run.

Just food for thought 2!!!   First click on load board (count how many loads are on the board). Then click on truck board and compare trucks to loads! Supply and demand!!! Till the supply overruns the demand part it will be awful hard to stipulate our rates. Especially when the demand part keeps coming in and talking big but will be the first ones to come in and cut the rates right out from under you! So until everyone can either wait for supply to outrun the demand (where we can finally set the rate where it needs to be), Or everyone sits at home with their trucks and wait for a decent rate (which I personally do not ever seeing happening)! I do not see this cyclical rate ever changing! You can holler from the roof tops all day long ( believe me I've tried) but until we all finally come together and work as a unit, nothing will change because we are to splintered!!! So find a common cause to get everybody under one roof and talking in one voice, THEN let's figure out how to fix this industry! Because just talking and crying about it sure as hell is not going to fix it! Believe me I would be the first one on board if we could find common ground and a united front to start from!

Hell i have it figured out all these guys hauling for nothing need to pick up there toys and count their loses its just a matter of time anyway till the bank makes them and for brokers Isay saddle up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!