E-LOG
Posted Mon, Dec 14 2015 09:09 PM CST
EVAN MCQUITTY
MCQUITTY TRUCKING
CHILHOWEE, MO
660-909-7903

Posts: 7
Does anybody have anything to say about this so called "new law"? Will and if it takes effect? And if it does any predictions on how and what it will change in our world? REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Dec 14 2015 09:21 PM CST
DONNIE STEINGRUBEY
7S CATTLE COMPANY
KALONA, IA
319-519-9830

Posts: 12
It seems that it will be happening. Our industry obviously will be hit the hardest. From reading the actually mandate there will be ways around it. Having trucks manufactured before 2000. Also the option for smaller trucking companies to use apps suck as keep trucking is still available. I use that already. But I have talked with someone that does a lot with FMCSA and they said in the near future there is suppose to be a meeting just about livestock trucking. All the different factors that now will have to be consider. Especially for the well being of the animals. Guess we will just see. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Dec 14 2015 09:26 PM CST
DONNIE STEINGRUBEY
7S CATTLE COMPANY
KALONA, IA
319-519-9830

Posts: 12
http://www.overdriveonline.com/tag/e-log-mandate/ REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Dec 16 2015 09:21 AM CST
MELANIE COLVIN
M & E LIVESTOCK
NOBLE, OK
405-268-9350

Posts: 1

It will all be team work, lots of cattle rest stops and/or relaying. Life as we know it will be gone. No more decent paychecks. The think we could all do is just park our trucks Dec 9th 2017 and not fire them up again unless they over turn the elog decision. I will be putting mine up for sale and getting out of trucking. The hell with the government.

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Posted Wed, Dec 16 2015 01:48 PM CST
JUSTIN VAN DERSLICE
SLICE TRANSPORT
SEWARD, NE

Posts: 2

Before we get too carried away with all of the negatives, we should be aware that OOIDA is currently fighting this in Federal Court. If you're not currently a member of OOIDA I strongly encourage you to join. The membership dues are $45/year, but there is a discount if you use a current member's name as a referral. This is the ONLY organization I know of out there that is lifting a finger to fight for the rights of Owner/operators, drivers, and small fleets. Feel free to use my name if you're thinking about signing up. It could save you a few bucks.

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Posted Thu, Dec 17 2015 03:54 PM CST
RUSSELL PEYRON
PEYTON GRAIN AND LIVESTOCK
67042, KS
316-323-2001

Posts: 2
Originally Posted by: MELANIE COLVIN
Quote: " It will all be team work, lots of cattle rest stops and/or relaying. Life as we know it will be gone. No more decent paychecks. The think we could all do is just park our trucks Dec 9th 2017 and not fire them up again unless they over turn the elog decision. I will be putting mine up for sale and getting out of trucking. The hell with the government."

I'm surprised to see team work mentioned on this Web site it will never happen to many cut throats in this business or should I say to many guys with to many trailers is the problem when you have no choice but to load em because if you don't guys quit most of these guys are pulling for less than you can lease onto swift for only difference is they can run miles so they think they are doing fine oh and the back haul brings em up a few cents this is what happens with big business and big government haul a load for 3.00 take trailer rent off that I think most are taking 18% now leaves 2.46 and most gotta bounce to reload so just take it 50/50 now your at 1.23 and paying your own way seems to me eld's are not your problem also if the big so called owner operators foundation was for you it would have never got this way don't waste your 45.00 a month to join them they need to grow some balls and quit backing swift and werner oh jb hunt as well just get a early 90s model truck and keep going it's pretty simple there's loop holes
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Posted Sat, Dec 19 2015 01:25 AM CST
JOSHUA DEES
JLDEES ENTERPRISES
CLOUDCROFT, NM
575-682-6683

Posts: 22

Any way this might not be as bad as we think? For instance before IRP and IFTA for stops and ports went through your paperwork with a fine tooth comb, now they punch in your numbers into the computer and hardly look at any paperwork. I'm wondering if this becomes the same and they quit asking to see your hours thinking these save all eld devices are making sure we are "following the rules" and they don't need to check up on us, I haven't seen anywhere that going over or incorrect logging is going to "tattletale" or red flag the truck somehow? If so it is after all a computer and computers can be messed with... If not there are loopholes.... Find a 99- truck in a salvage auction same make as you have and hello parts truck and new title that says your a 99 and predate the mandated law... Re title or rebuilt/salvage titles don't seem to hurt truck values as much as autos for some reason... We still have at least 2 years and probably more seeing how this kinda thing always manages to have issues that push the dates back.. It would be nice to have a livestock exempt rule but that's wishful thinking.

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Posted Sat, Dec 19 2015 06:24 PM CST
WADE/WILL CRAIG
CRAIG TRANSPORT
FARNAM, NE
308-325-9199

Posts: 2
Originally Posted by: RUSSELL PEYRON
Quote: "I'm surprised to see team work mentioned on this Web site it will never happen to many cut throats in this business or should I say to many guys with to many trailers is the problem when you have no choice but to load em because if you don't guys quit most of these guys are pulling for less than you can lease onto swift for only difference is they can run miles so they think they are doing fine oh and the back haul brings em up a few cents this is what happens with big business and big government haul a load for 3.00 take trailer rent off that I think most are taking 18% now leaves 2.46 and most gotta bounce to reload so just take it 50/50 now your at 1.23 and paying your own way seems to me eld's are not your problem also if the big so called owner operators foundation was for you it would have never got this way don't waste your 45.00 a month to join them they need to grow some balls and quit backing swift and werner oh jb hunt as well just get a early 90s model truck and keep going it's pretty simple there's loop holes"

You are confusing ooida with the ATA. Ooida does not support the initiative of the large, monopoly seeking big companies. Ooida is the reason the e-log mandate was thrown out in 2012. The ATA or American Truckers Association does support the mandate, and furthermore works hand in hand with the nation's largest carriers and drivers. So I would argue that joining ooida is and will be the strongest force in defeating the mandate. I would also urge livestock drivers and companies to address the issue with their states "cattlemans association" as they are a major voice in the national spotlight when it comes to the cattle industry. (American pork producers if you haul pigs, and so on)
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Posted Sat, Dec 19 2015 11:32 PM CST
MIKE JULIANO
M.A.J.EXPRESS
THORNTON, CO
720-724-1665

Posts: 6
Originally Posted by: WADE/WILL CRAIG
Quote: "You are confusing ooida with the ATA. Ooida does not support the initiative of the large, monopoly seeking big companies. Ooida is the reason the e-log mandate was thrown out in 2012. The ATA or American Truckers Association does support the mandate, and furthermore works hand in hand with the nation's largest carriers and drivers. So I would argue that joining ooida is and will be the strongest force in defeating the mandate. I would also urge livestock drivers and companies to address the issue with their states "

I've been doing this for 28 years and to listen to someone say it's OK to run e logs hauling livestock tells me how long you been doing this and you're nothing but a freight hauler you want to do something about it shut your truck off for four days all cattle haulers when all the plants are shut down and no one's moving cattle Than things might change but like I said there's no real guys that'll stand up to anything anymore everyone be like that one guy I will just run them be like a stuiped freight hauler

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Posted Mon, Dec 21 2015 11:47 AM CST
WADE/WILL CRAIG
CRAIG TRANSPORT
FARNAM, NE
308-325-9199

Posts: 2
Originally Posted by: MIKE JULIANO
Quote: " I've been doing this for 28 years and to listen to someone say it's OK to run e logs hauling livestock tells me how long you been doing this and you're nothing but a freight hauler you want to do something about it shut your truck off for four days all cattle haulers when all the plants are shut down and no one's moving cattle Than things might change but like I said there's no real guys that'll stand up to anything anymore everyone be like that one guy I will just run them be like a stuiped freight hauler "

As I stated in my original post, contacting your state's Cattleman's Association, American Pork Producers, and the top guns in Feedlots/Farms/Ranches can do a lot to aid in stopping this mandate. Furthermore, if you are to read my original post, you can take note that I never stated that I was for or against the E-Log mandate OR a freight or livestock hauler. This extends beyond what you transport and is a way of life for many. Livestock producers wouldn't want to see this pass. NOT only do I haul livestock, raising and growing cattle/hogs is a family business. I'm on both sides. Just trying to throw some more ideas out there in getting this stopped.

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Posted Mon, Dec 21 2015 02:20 PM CST
AARON SANNE
SANNE TRUCKING
NORFOLK, NE

Posts: 3

Not be as bad as we think??? If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. This will be their foot in the door. Once they are in, it's game over. People not in the industry should NOT be making the rules and laws regarding it. Never trust some idiot with a college degree and a tie. They are just the 'better's' trying to tell us 'bumpkins' what they think we need. Belieing, or even thinking, that this can be of ANY good, is going to be what allows it to happen.

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Posted Tue, Dec 22 2015 02:17 PM CST
JERRY OR JOSH @ COW TRAN
COW TRAN, INC.
DAYTON, WY
307-655-3866

Posts: 3

HMMMM. Good Thought.

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Posted Tue, Dec 22 2015 06:24 PM CST
DONNIE STEINGRUBEY
7S CATTLE COMPANY
KALONA, IA
319-519-9830

Posts: 12

Here are just a few of the larger cattle owners just in Nebraska start by contacing them

Jerry and William Adams, Gottsch Cattle Co, Tim Waller, Jim Mamot, Don Oppliger, Gerald Timmerman, and that's just a few. But these people have millions and millions of dollars tied up into cattle. You better believe they can get people's attention on a national level. Then if guys like Warren Weibert from Kansas and the Drummond's in Texas and all these big time cattle owners started lobbying against this mandate it would stop dead in its tracks. The westward expansion of this country was built by rich cattle owners, railroad tycoons and oil. These three industries have major ties in Washington I am sure. I know when I was loading at one of the many Timmerman Ranch's a month or so ago. There was a US Senator there with Gerald Timmerman sorting calves!!! We can get this crap stopped for us I am sure.

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Posted Wed, Jan 06 2016 06:50 PM CST
GREG PREUSSNER
PREUSSNER TRUCK LINE INC
DELHI, IA
563-922-2144

Posts: 4

With over 76% of trucking companies already running e logs It will be virtually imposiible to stop. Not in favor of them at all but since the mandate was offically published in Dec the train has left the station and is not coming back. At a recent meeting on this issue the question was brought up to a DOT officer about the special circustances livestock haulers have. His response was that that was our problem and the law would be the law no matter what type trailer or freight was in it.

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Posted Fri, Jan 08 2016 02:33 AM CST
AARON SANNE
SANNE TRUCKING
NORFOLK, NE

Posts: 3

http://fleet.omnitracs.com/eld-mandate-recording-email-success.html?aliId=53449922

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Posted Sun, Jan 10 2016 10:47 AM CST
PAUL VAN KEKERIX
VAN KEKERIX TRUCKING INC.
ROCK VALLEY, IA
712-541-7583

Posts: 12

If we are going to have to run by the clock then we need to paid by the clock. Example: A load of fat cattle from Rock Valley IA to Dakota City NE can use 5 plus hours of my availiabe time for the day. If the rate was paid per the hour like shop time, hay ginders,accountants. $150/HR minimum or $1650/day.

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Posted Sun, Jan 10 2016 12:33 PM CST
BRUCE WRIGHT
M LAZY J LIVESTOCK
HARLOWTON, MT

Posts: 24
I don't know were you get your low ball daily rate, it should be 2500.00 min to the truck a day. Current rate (3.80)x 60mph x 11 driving hours a day. This is not common core math, this is buisness. With electronic logs you are going to see the packers up their own trucks to cut cost. Livestock hauling is going to get turned on its head. The runs are going to change, with layovers. This means your 300.00 per day to drivers is going to get cut in half. I won't drive for 150.00 a day. Figure it out if your making 1200.00 a week driving gross x 50 weeks a year is only 60k, your barel middle class, cut that in half and your poverty. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Jan 11 2016 05:37 AM CST
GREG ECKHARDT
GREG ECKHARDT TRUCKING
VERMILLION, SD

Posts: 1

Pre 2000 trucks are exempt from the E-log mandate.

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Posted Tue, Jan 12 2016 03:42 PM CST
ZANE PAGE
PAGE LIVESTOCK
LIBBY, MT

Posts: 13

Really interesting forum, one of the better topics ,,

im looking at buying 2 more trucks,, they will be hauling live stock,, reading your posts, it seems to make more sence to buy older trucks as you stated,,keep out of California for 1,, stay out of the diesel shops more, and avoid E logs,, thanks for good advice,, just hope who i lease on with is cool with older trucks,,,

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Posted Tue, Jan 12 2016 05:00 PM CST
DONALD WALKER
DONALD WALKER
BOONES MILL, VA
540-493-1560

Posts: 17
I will park my truck. Will you? REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE