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Posted Mon, Mar 16 2009 11:00 AM CST
KEVIN SMITH
Posts: 37
welll--thennn.How was it free as long as it was??I am quessing it was supported by advertising in the beginning.It would be surmised by some that it might of been taken over by internet bandits that is why it had personal popups for a while.But to pay the fees we pay for no loads to be able to have a feedback forum as well as text phone messaging for no loads makes me feel a little strange REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Mar 16 2009 11:00 AM CST
TERRY @ MAVERICK DISP
Posts: 24
If you don't like paying for the convience then don't. This has always been a paying site and the web people have no control over the ups and downs of this market. Use your head. This is the slow time..What about when it's busy? I bet you like the service then. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Mar 16 2009 11:00 AM CST
SHAWN SEXSON
Posts: 18
I've been a member from its inception, far as I know it was never free. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Mar 16 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Even when things are busy Lot's of loads everyone on livestock loads is always .50 to .75 cents under the going rate. I don't know how these people get any of these loads covered. I personally have not hauled any off here in over a year, but I still pays not sure why. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Mar 16 2009 11:00 AM CST
RICK WILDE
Posts: 12
If that fella is whinin bout payin a measly 25 bucks a month to use this site, I wonder how much he carries on when he has to put 400 bucks a day worth of fuel in his truck. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 17 2009 11:00 AM CST
KEVIN SMITH
Posts: 37
you truly dont have a clue do you???I didnt start last week,was here for the $4+ fuel.all I will say is at least there was work.Maybe I was mistaken and spoke out of turn but I was refering to the old site before it was named what it is now REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 17 2009 11:00 AM CST
BUD LUNBERG
Posts: 1
i am a driver looking for a stock hauling job,,if anyone here might know of anyone looking for a driver with livestock experience, i am looking. i have hauled cattle and hogs,my cell# is 623-249-8257.thank you for all of your support REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Sun, Mar 22 2009 11:00 AM CST
ROBERT LONG
Posts: 22
every one wants a back haul truck that is crap REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Sun, Mar 22 2009 11:00 AM CST
JOE FRIEND
Posts: 6
how does the truck no it is a backhaul, it should pay the same both ways to make a profit REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Mar 23 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Stop hauling the loads. Let them buy and operate trucks for these rates. Most of these brokers are getting full rate and keeping .40 to .75 cents a mile and still charge you a percentage to take these loads. It can only stop when you stop hauling them. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Mon, Mar 23 2009 11:00 AM CST
JOE FRIEND
Posts: 6
YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 24 2009 11:00 AM CST
BRIAN SALISBURY
Posts: 8
Backhaul is a made up word to screw you out of money.why does it matter where you came from or where you are going. A LOAD IS A LOAD IF YOU NEED IT HAULED YOU NEED TO PAY THE GOING RATE REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 24 2009 11:00 AM CST
PRIMETIME EXPRESS
Posts: 32
It all goes back to the old adage of supply and demand. To many trucks this time of year and not enough loads. You do the math! During the spring and fall runs the roles are reversed and we get to set the rates. It's all give and take. Whether you want to believe there is such a thing as a backhaul or not it's up to you, but I guaranty that it is a cold, hard reality of the business. As for brokers holding .40 to .75 cents a mile then charging percentage on top of that. Please name names, because I sure don't want to be doing business with them. I would like some proof though first! Thanks. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 24 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
When have you seen a load on here paying full rate? only when it is loading the next day maybe. When loads are everywhere and lots of work these loads are still well under the going rate. Look at it this summer and tell me that the loads on here are full rate. I suppose if you use this site to get most of your work them you don't know any better. Yes their are guys on here that treat you right and pay good rate. Then their are some that pro rate loads and want you to load 60000lb and still be .30 under the rate with 60000lb. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 24 2009 11:00 AM CST
LARRY
Posts: 20
I'd like some one to tell me what full rate is.There is alot of complaning about the load board and it is simple, if you don,t like it and the rates don't look at it any more. If you can leave home and make a round at less than full rate but your dollar per mile is over full rate it works. Park your bull rack and go pull a flat bed for a month. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 24 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Yes, but look at what you would have made if you got full rate.. $3.00 is good this week but next week. If fuel keeps going back up so will the rates. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
If this guy ran 4000 miles a week with 3000 loaded at 2.40 is 7200, but 3000 miles at 3.00 is 9000 dollars. That difference of 1800.00 would paid your fuel for the week. Not sure how you can run at the cheap rates and end up with full rate at end of week. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:00 AM CST
TERRY @ MAVERICK DISP
Posts: 24
Because most 3.00 full rate loads means there is at least a 50% bounce, so the 4000 mile week paid on 2000 mi @ 3.00 = 6000.00. 1200.00 less money than 25% bounce week @ 2.40 REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:00 AM CST
PRIMETIME EXPRESS
Posts: 32
While I understand what you are trying to say I cannot totally agree with your assessment. Who's to say you can't reload that 3 dollar truck with the same reload as the 2.40 a mile truck? What people do not understand or do not CARE to understand, is that the freight is just not there to start stipulating a certain price. There are to many trucks that will come in and cut the rate to just get from point A to point B. I do not know how many times I have gone in and quoted a rate to a customer and then found out a few weeks later that Joe Trucker come in and back doored me at a lower rate! It's all about supply and demand! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Your right... But they are the ones crying about not making any money.. As for the one that wrote above you he must not have read the other post before that because if he did he would have figured out what they was trying to explain. The other just average out a trip on what he could have made if he got 3.00 over 2.40 for the same miles. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Well the ones that take loads cheap are always strugling and have a hard time staying in busuness, while other's be picky about who they haul for and what they charge do good and make money. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:00 AM CST
CJ PETERSON
Posts: 9
ya ever get the feeling that the dispatchers that cut the rates are the ones supporting it on the forum! And those are the ones that dont even have a full rate during the fall run! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:00 AM CST
CJ PETERSON
Posts: 9
3000 x 3.20 = 9600$ 50% = 4800$ 3000 miles with30% bounce =2100 loaded miles at 2.30= 4830$ Dont think much profit in that!! Plus more work and poorer fuel milage! REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Thu, Mar 26 2009 11:00 AM CST
TERRY @ MAVERICK DISP
Posts: 24
I don't know any brokers that do that, however I do know 2 cattle buyers who charge 5% dispatch fee to haul their cattle. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Thu, Mar 26 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
I don't mind paying a percentage if they are paying full rate to these brokers. Their was one on here that I liked to haul for but I have noticed now he is low balling loads right along with the others now. Yes I do thank the ones trying to justify the supply in demand are the brokers and cattle buyers who think your time and truck is not worth much. And one said during the fall run we set the rates, boy I sure did not see any of the full rate loads. I don't know when I have seen loads on here at full rate. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Thu, Mar 26 2009 11:00 AM CST
MIKE FULLER
Posts: 17
So I was kind of wondering what full rate is? I figure the driver costs .45 cpm with work comp and FICA match. Truck with all costs and depreciation .38 (170,000 miles) .43 fuel (5 mpg)my fleet average is 5.6. Trailer expense with depreciation the last 4 years .13 total is 1.39. I was told 30 years ago by the first guy i drove a cow truck for that the only money you make as as truck owner is whatever mileage that you can get over 5 mpg. I beleive that he was right. The thing about this industry that we can all be thankful is that person who wants to work and it is definetly not fun being a driver, but the biggest share of the revenue from the truck goes to the person driving truck. Better the driver than some guy in the middle east who sells oil. A year ago the oil guys got twice what the driver does. This post is not a flame to antogonize people. It is merely stating the fact that we could have it alot worse. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Sat, Mar 28 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Well full rate is what is fair price for everyone to make money., right now it is 3.00 to 3.15, I can't believe someone with all the figures you through out their dose not know this. It has been my experience over the last 15 years that when a person runs the kind of miles you show hauls a lot of cheap loads. I have a friend that runs more miles them that and know for a fact that his boss hauls dirt cheap, pig's east and cattle back from Virginia, if you can't haul them one way and make money I will just stay home. You do have it right on the trucks fuel to make money. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 31 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
What happen to everyone defending the back haul rate? Maybe they are using a calculator to do more figuring. Most had good points on how they justify what they are doing. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 31 2009 11:00 AM CST
TERRY @ MAVERICK DISP
Posts: 24
you can't beat a dead horse REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Mar 31 2009 11:00 AM CST
JIM SHUPP
Posts: 2
use spell check REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Apr 01 2009 11:00 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
2.20 how cheap will it get? Do you not have anything else to do? REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Apr 14 2009 03:34 AM CST
SHAWN SEXSON
Posts: 18
Supply and demand, current market condition set the rates. The shipper are going with what the market will bear. As for making this a free site that would be great but how are all these gadgets going to paid for that get the information to you in a flash, and the up keep has to be paid for. You all don't want to work for free, why should this website owner work for free. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Apr 14 2009 06:21 AM CST
IKE JACOBS
Posts: 11
Can anyone explain backhaul to me? What is a backhaul? If you are hauling cattle, hogs, sheep, livestock of any kind, how do you backhaul? Are you going backwards or something? I live in Virginia and keep hearing buyers say we can get a backhaul truck from out west to come in and haul for $2.00 so if anyone has the answer to this please inform me. I feel if you are hauling east to west north to south west to east any direction you are hauling not backhauling. Why would anyone want to haul cheaper for??? Maybe some people are just not educated about making money and wanting to go broke. I guess that is the definition for backhauler. What do you think? Please let me know so that we can all be on the same page about what we are doing and why we are doing this. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Tue, Apr 14 2009 07:21 AM CST
DILLON SNYDER
Posts: 7
Again it all about supply and demand, right now there are way more empty trucks than there is cattle to haul so anyone will do anything to get that truck loaded at this point. you can set your full rate wherever you want it but not all will follow, theres always a low baller out there that will do it cheaper. REPLY REPLY WITH QUOTE
Posted Wed, Apr 15 2009 01:26 AM CST
M S M
Posts: 17

The struggle is when loads are slow or one guy reads his CPM different than others understand. The fact is that loaded or not a truck makes money on percentages. If it is off the road 40% of the year cause his loads paid .20, .30 cents higher than the guy who runs steady at lower rates because that's what he can get... 90% of 100% pays better than 60% when the bottom dollar hit the end of the barrel.

Buyers and brokers acting and charging as well as companies charging fees... we all hate to see extra cost in an industry that takes so much out of every dollar driven and worked for, but it's the drivers choice if he is willing to pay 3-10% of the shipping fee to have any revenue on the truck for the miles he will be driving anyway! Does anyone here really need the practiuce driving?! No, so it is a choice, park it and so no to the load or find a way to see if that load pay works. If it doesn't for any numerous reasons, than the smart choice is no load. Good equipment can only stay good if you can afford to keep it that way....

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Posted Wed, Apr 15 2009 01:41 AM CST
BETH BETH
Posts: 5

the loads right now are cheap everybody needs to park there trucks and go haul something that pays better  like everyone else on here we havent hauled a load in months cause the rates are too cheap you got those back door trucks coming in cutting you rates on your territoy and you got other people on here posting loads they dont have just to tie a truck up for the day.

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Posted Wed, Apr 15 2009 01:51 AM CST
M S M
Posts: 17

They are cheap. But pushing frieght isn't better. At this point who has the money??? I have equipment that won't sell and looking for other equipment when that does to satisfy a low mile paying contract that guarrenties my company over $100K on one dirrection of my haul.... But like everyone else. I have the time to sit and read this because the phone only rings for the things I can't use or don't need.... sometime it doen't even relate to starting my truck!!

By the way anyone have a 47 or 48 foot with sheep rails they want to lease???

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Posted Wed, Apr 15 2009 04:34 AM CST
CINDY NELSON
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by: WALTER BREWER
Quote: "Well the ones that take loads cheap are always strugling and have a hard time staying in busuness, while other's be picky about who they haul for and what they charge do good and make money."

If you can stay loaded at 2.40 per mile at 100 miles that is 240 dollars and if you look the loads are still there for a back haul.  Theoretically if you can even get close to the same area on a back haul in this case you would be making the same as a one way load paying 4.80 a mile. The rates I have been seeing dont hold a stick to 4.80 so the guys that wont haul it if it doesnt pay 2.80 to 3.00 a mile but wont look for a back haul are screwing themselves making on average 1.40 to 1.50 a running mile when they could be making 2.00+. You do the math it all comes down to average a running mile doesnt matter what the load pays. You have to be smart enough to know if it is worth it to take a load or not. Not everyone can be a dispatcher, there is a lot more work in it then you think. 

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Posted Wed, Apr 15 2009 04:42 AM CST
CINDY NELSON
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by: IKE JACOBS
Quote: "Can anyone explain backhaul to me? What is a backhaul? If you are hauling cattle, hogs, sheep, livestock of any kind, how do you backhaul? Are you going backwards or something? I live in Virginia and keep hearing buyers say we can get a backhaul truck from out west to come in and haul for $2.00 so if anyone has the answer to this please inform me. I feel if you are hauling east to west north to south west to east any direction you are hauling not backhauling. Why would anyone want to haul cheaper for??? Maybe some people are just not educated about making money and wanting to go broke. I guess that is the definition for backhauler. What do you think? Please let me know so that we can all be on the same page about what we are doing and why we are doing this."

Rates do suck!!! These brokers are taking money that deserve to go to the truck. However if you dont use them someone will.  You might as well get used to that or look for a new job. Use the brokers stay hooked up with loads, THIS MEANS USE SEVERAL BROKERS IF YOU HAVE TO, eliminate deadhead miles at low rates and pay per mile increases. It is that simple. Dont let a broker hold on to you for too long or they will stick you with some load that they claim is a BACK HAUL. And the rate will suck.  In most cases their backhaul load was probably charged by them as a regular load making them a killing and screwing the one that actually did the work.

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Posted Wed, Apr 15 2009 06:42 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50

I just don't see how a person can get the good rate the other guy was talking about. You can't haul these 2.20 a mile loads and average over 2.00 a mile unless you haul a load and set their a couple of days or weeks to load something else that close to keep you over 2.00 a mile. I wont let a truck set . I have not seen that many loads on here you could make work without setting a week.

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Posted Thu, Apr 16 2009 10:53 AM CST
M S M
Posts: 17

Per mile figues are all based on one thing. Not the single load but load averages over a period of time. I know in my area, guys moving 65K loads on short hall were getting up to $7 per mile. Now if that moves in a regular route or round, then some get half that because it is contract cattle moving pretty much all year. The areas you travel have alot to do with your markets from beginning to end. However just because the cattle trade lower doen't meet you haul for less (like the other half of my company I just shut down after a decade), but the buyers and sellers are under contract with their order buyers or market sales yards, and they seem to trust only them to get your truck and pay then direct instead of you. Now we all know everyone has to make a buck today. It has always been the rancher gets the last of the wagon of good nad moneys, but in reality... it's the truck securing the ranches best inerest by safely moving the sensitive commidities to get all involved parties paid!!!

 Bottom line.. no trucks...no bucks. Cattle drive just aren't easily done over any distance anymore. And believe me I worked a 668 Thousand acre ranch years ago... It took three days of rounding up pairs and seperating to ship out...

Personaly I think the biggest loss for the cow truck (or any livestock for that matter) is more the regulations and exhobinant fines, high insurance, and taxes on the exempt commodity moved!! Let be frank here, stop the trucks and how many would survive on salad and non meat items.. Not ME..

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Posted Fri, Apr 17 2009 12:37 AM CST
M S M
Posts: 17

Here's a question for any takers.

How many of you would put a contract to your company to run a truck on a regular weekly route with loads no more than 30K for 115K pay a year for a 1100 mile run each week. $2200 a run....  now backhauls only pay backhaul low rates ... but it makes a 2300 mile week at $3350 week... and those are only 5 months a year right now.

As slow as it is do you take what you can get or....

I have not seen $4.20 a mile here for 48K loads coming from buyers or companies subbing/brokering the loads. Like I said earlier in a post, some 65K loads on 200 mile routes were up at $7 per mile, but that wasn't to me.. I don't run 65K.

Just checking to see what anyone else thinks. That is what this is for. right?

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Posted Fri, Apr 17 2009 11:08 AM CST
JERRY OR JOSH @ COW TRAN
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by: CINDY NELSON
Quote: "If you can stay loaded at 2.40 per mile at 100 miles that is 240 dollars and if you look the loads are still there for a back haul.  Theoretically if you can even get close to the same area on a back haul in this case you would be making the same as a one way load paying 4.80 a mile. The rates I have been seeing dont hold a stick to 4.80 so the guys that wont haul it if it doesnt pay 2.80 to 3.00 a mile but wont look for a back haul are screwing themselves making on average 1.40 to 1.50 a running mile when they could be making 2.00+. You do the math it all comes down to average a running mile doesnt matter what the load pays. You have to be smart enough to know if it is worth it to take a load or not. Not everyone can be a dispatcher, there is a lot more work in it then you think. "

Wow someone does pay attention!  and knows how to add.  You all go park your trucks and we will go haul that cheap freight ourselfs and count our money at the end of the day!!

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Posted Sat, Apr 18 2009 06:47 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Originally Posted by: JERRY OR JOSH @ COW TRAN
Quote: "Wow someone does pay attention!  and knows how to add.  You all go park your trucks and we will go haul that cheap freight ourselfs and count our money at the end of the day!!"

Good, you go and haul that cheap loads, you are the ones that are killing the rates. I would put my dollars per mile up to your anytime. I am sure you gross as much as I do a year but you are running 75 to 100k miles a year more them me, so you keep doing your math it's all the same to me if it is working for you them good. I stay home with my family while you stay in your truck in a truck stop for days waiting for another cheap load. I'm done with trying to explain that you don't have to haul cut rate loads to make money I give up.

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Posted Sat, Apr 18 2009 11:39 AM CST
WALTER BREWER
Posts: 50
Originally Posted by: WALTER BREWER
Quote: "Good, you go and haul that cheap loads, you are the ones that are killing the rates. I would put my dollars per mile up to your anytime. I am sure you gross as much as I do a year but you are running 75 to 100k miles a year more them me, so you keep doing your math it's all the same to me if it is working for you them good. I stay home with my family while you stay in your truck in a truck stop for days waiting for another cheap load. I'm done with trying to explain that you don't have to haul cut rate loads to make money I give up."

It sure won't take long to count your money you made after expense, couldn't take more them 2 or 3 minutes.

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Posted Mon, Apr 20 2009 01:35 AM CST
TODD ROBERTS
Posts: 5

All of the trucks hauling for less than 3.00 need to have their head checked out , Maybe you got kicked or something. The expenses of a cattle truck are greater than any other kind of trucking.    SO  GO  BACK  TO  SCHOOL   AND  LEARN   TO   ADD.   27 years of cattle trucking tells me to stay at home and drink beer .  You can go broke staying at home you dont have buy fuel to do it.  So when your talking to someone about a load . THINK  ABOUT IT .

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Posted Fri, May 08 2009 06:51 AM CST
DALE EWOLDT
Posts: 1
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Posted Fri, May 08 2009 06:52 AM CST
KEVIN SMITH
Posts: 37

the last line/sentence in your message makes no sense--------Also to trash a mans name on a public foum also demands you to nut up and give your name as well-----this is one of the things that pisses me off to no end how someone will throw out a name with this kind of info that is hard to verify and prove

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Posted Fri, May 08 2009 11:55 AM CST
KEVIN SMITH
Posts: 37
Originally Posted by: DALE EWOLDT
Quote: "- Message Removed 5/8/09 -"

your mommy catch you playin on the computer again ????????

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Posted Fri, May 15 2009 08:50 AM CST
MIKE CHALUPA
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by: WALTER BREWER
Quote: "Well full rate is what is fair price for everyone to make money., right now it is 3.00 to 3.15, I can't believe someone with all the figures you through out their dose not know this. It has been my experience over the last 15 years that when a person runs the kind of miles you show hauls a lot of cheap loads. I have a friend that runs more miles them that and know for a fact that his boss hauls dirt cheap, pig's east and cattle back from Virginia, if you can't haul them one way and make money I will just stay home. You do have it right on the trucks fuel to make money."

The only way to keep a good rate is to reregulate the rates. I got my wyo. authority in 1971 to get a load authority you had to show a need to the state that another hauler was needed and the board that aproved you getting the authority was governed by Wyo. livestock haulers who had to aprove your application . so you would have to hire a lawyer to go before them to prove that your services  were needed and that you had shippers that would use you. Once that you got the authority you were given a book with all the rates in it and if you charged less than what the rate book said you would lose your authority to haul with in the state of Wyo.  This kept all the rates at above break even and was allso regulated by the PSC . I don't remember any brokers back then but the order buyers had to pay full rate and could not bully any one around getting some one to haul it cheaper every body paid the rate that was set by the PSC and the Wyo Livestock haulers . what we need is a strong livestock hauler union that we can regulate a fair rate . now being that Bull Haulers are the most independant of any truckers it would hard to get any body to agree but it would be worth a try to police our selves and only haul only profitable loads and set our own price instead of the packer telling you what they are going to pay I wish I could go to the parts store and tell them what Iam going to pay or the macanic or the fuel stop . we are independant business's not hourly employee's .

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Posted Mon, May 18 2009 06:30 AM CST
MARLYN
Posts: 17

alot has changed  sence 1971 and I respect  your words.   but  I dont agree that we need to have our  job regulated  by the gov. or anyone else  that is what I feel is my reason is for becoming an o/o. So I could do my own thing charge what I want work when I want ect.   please dont understand  I'm awhere that there are alot of  stuff  ( cows, grain toilet paper ect )  getting hauled very very cheap right now,  but that is supply and demand .    A  good friend and buyer told me that the cow numbers (stock cow) is the lowest it has been sence 1956.    I did web search and found  that it is as low as 1951.  all I am trying to say it is slow the #'s are down times are getting thin.    If you been out there sence 1971 or more you've seen this before as so have I.  WE will get though this slow time as before,  but some will not , and that is sad but thats is life and it will go on.   please dont take what I have said to make anyone mad  but that is what  I think about it.    To all have great day and try to find good things to do and work smart thanks for your time

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Posted Wed, May 20 2009 05:44 AM CST
DON WINBERG
WINBERG FARMS
BLACKFOOT, ID
208-680-6209

Posts: 1

  As a broker  I will post a 'fack' load going west and tell the caller I just covered it, just  so I know how little I will have to pay the truck going east by how many calls I get wanting the 'fack'load. That  is how internet trucking works.

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Posted Wed, May 20 2009 08:54 AM CST
CHRIS FIX
Posts: 9

Backhaul rate, I guess somebody figured that driving west instead of east or north instead of south or vice versa their truck used less fuel loaded and the tires wore better and the stock put less shit in the trailer and the floors in the trailer wore less and they loaded easier or something is why it can be done cheaper.  The way I look at it is loaded miles are loaded miles, bounce miles are bounce miles.  Lots of people complain about the rates going into these packing houses, dont blame the packer, blame the asshole that loaded the cheap load in the first place and all the followers that keep doing it.  This will never happen because too many people are not willing to work together but if nobody "backhauled" a load or hauled the cheap stuff, the shippers would have to pay more, its just that simple in my eyes and I think during the fall run it shows.  I dont think it will ever change because when one cut rate goes broke, 10 more are in line waiting to get started.  You cheap trucks and brokers keep doing your thing screwing yourselves out of money and others as well. 

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Posted Sun, May 24 2009 12:05 AM CST
CHRIS FIX
Posts: 9

No I am not here just to talk "trash", this is a discussion forum and as I understand it, that means it is a place for people to put in thier 2 cents.  People can talk about stuff and get other peoples opinions.  Is that all you are doing here is trash talk?  This time of year there isnt much on the board that pays worth a shit, but when the run starts in the fall there is quite a bit that pays well but I see you joined only a month and a half ago so I guess you wouldnt know that.  Rates are cheap now because people are willing to cut rates and run for a backhaul rate just to keep moving.  When there gets to be more loads shippers will have to pay decent rates again to get the trucks that arent hauling the cheap shit, simple as that.

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Posted Sun, May 24 2009 10:55 AM CST
CHRIS LOOMIS
Posts: 12

I agree with you that backhauling and packing houses are bullshit, but have you seen one load on here worth the rate? I havent. Do you just pay to be on here so that you can talk trash on this forum?

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Posted Wed, May 27 2009 01:35 AM CST
MARLYN
Posts: 17

well said thank you

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Posted Wed, May 27 2009 08:50 AM CST
GARY BETHARD
Posts: 23

Everyone seems to be forgetting something in this discussion.  We(the United States) are a "free market" economy.  Most all business have the right to set the prices of their service or product at a price they deem acceptable for their own business structure.  If not, we all would be doing the same thing for the same rate.  As an example, look at grocery stores.  There are Sam's, Costco, Walmart, Kroger, Publix, Food Lion, A & P, smaller regional stores, and even small one location single owner stores.  Not all of them sell a loaf of Wonder bread or a T-Bone steak for the same price and many of them have managed to stay in business and make money for many years.  They all have different business structures and different customers and niche markets they serve.  None of them are too high or low in their markets, they are right for each of their own markets/niche.  Not all grocery store customers want the exact same products/services.  This is where the grocery store creates their OWN value in the customers perception.  The value may mean low prices, having a bag boy, open 24 hrs.,having cashiers who know the customer personally, customers wanting to spend their money with a local business.  The list goes on and on but that loaf of Wonder bread is being sold at many different prices.  Back to livestock hauling.  We all have different strengths and weaknesses that make our individual businesses unique.  Our job as business owners is to know these and to use them to create value in the customers perception of us and turn that into a successful business.  What the other man does pertains to his business, NOT mine!!!  I look after my own six feet.  I will find customers that want the value MY business creates at a price that is acceptable to me and my customer.  There will always be cheaper and more expensive livestock haulers.  If history repeats itself, many of the cheap haulers will not be around for an extended period of time.  There is a new tribe every year.  Relax, have confidence in yourself, your business skills and have faith in whatever God you worship.  I know that's easier to say or write than to practice.  I wish everyone good fortune in the coming season.

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Posted Thu, May 28 2009 06:53 AM CST
PRIMETIME EXPRESS
Posts: 32

I am glad to here that someone finally used the word business.  It is not a game, it is a business.  I will set the rates to make my business work and make my clients profitable.  If they are profitible they will stay in business and make my business more profitible.  Thanks for the great words.

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Posted Mon, Jul 13 2009 06:47 AM CST
TERESA WHITE
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by: JOE FRIEND
Quote: "YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

yes they all want a deal and they all cut off the top the packing houses are paying 315 to 325 per mile and i was offered 250 per mile so where is the diffrance in the pockets of a broker how is not even lisenced as a broker

 

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Posted Mon, Jul 13 2009 09:48 AM CST
KEVIN SMITH
Posts: 37
Originally Posted by: DON WINBERG
Quote: "  As a broker  I will post a 'fack' load going west and tell the caller I just covered it, just  so I know how little I will have to pay the truck going east by how many calls I get wanting the 'fack'load. That  is how internet trucking works."

What a thing to admit to--------you would be a bottom feeder in the freight world.SHORT LIVED

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Posted Tue, Jul 14 2009 06:11 AM CST
MIKE CHALUPA
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by: MARLYN
Quote: "alot has changed  sence 1971 and I respect  your words.   but  I dont agree that we need to have our  job regulated  by the gov. or anyone else  that is what I feel is my reason is for becoming an o/o. So I could do my own thing charge what I want work when I want ect.   please dont understand  I'm awhere that there are alot of  stuff  ( cows, grain toilet paper ect )  getting hauled very very cheap right now,  but that is supply and demand .    A  good friend and buyer told me that the cow numbers (stock cow) is the lowest it has been sence 1956.    I did web search and found  that it is as low as 1951.  all I am trying to say it is slow the #'s are down times are getting thin.    If you been out there sence 1971 or more you've seen this before as so have I.  WE will get though this slow time as before,  but some will not , and that is sad but thats is life and it will go on.   please dont take what I have said to make anyone mad  but that is what  I think about it.    To all have great day and try to find good things to do and work smart thanks for your time"

 

I agree and want to do my own thing to but the states and fed regulate and Tax us to death and then Tax your family if you do have any thing left when you die the sad truth of it is that we are all working for the goverment just think about it they tell you how much you can haul how long you can work when you have to sleep where you can smoke . we as truck drivers are treated worse than any other crimnals the fines they give us are more than rapist or theives if you get put out of service at some out of the way check station you are denied food and water and toilets they cant do this to a mass murderer if we get put out of service for what ever reson we have less rights than a prisoner of war . United we stand devided we fall is  about it . there is a film on You Tube called the Obahma Deception every one should watch this and will give you some insite of what is going on with our America as long as every one does  their own thing then they can pick us off one by one .

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